Real Question here

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Class C is the problem. They've always been the problem. Working with TMO and IB is like pulling fucking teeth. Anytime class C is involved in anything the entire situation usually turns to shit.

Are you fucking serious? Anytime a class c guild crosses your path and tries to talk to you about anything involving the target were going after, you give a straight "fuck you" answer to us. You, sir, are the one who it is like pulling teeth to work with. Get over yourself, jesus christ.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd actually like to keep this out of RnF, if possible, because then any chance for constructive discourse goes out the window.

Thank you, Derubael.

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there were something that dropped you to Class R if you don't make a Class C or VP kill for 2 weeks... maybe it would be worth testing for some guilds.

I'd guess some guilds would be inclined to try VP if they thought they could push a Class C guild out of the Class C equation by competing, which I gather was the gist of the conversation surrounding the Class R-Class C discussion.

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Go back to 96 hour windows with the possibility of window extensions. As it stands, these 16 hour windows force huge groups of people to sit around hoping to be the quickest off the line, from Friday afternoon through Sunday night.

Derubael once stated several months ago that he didn't like the Friday through Sunday setup for repops, but it is what it is. He addressed part of this statement in this very thread. I personally like the 96 hour windows as it prevents socking (the original goal of implementing variance).

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But I don't see Class C agreeing to even every 4th VP spawn is Class R.

There seems to be a tension between WoW gamers and 1999 EQ gamers. In WoW, when the attunements were changed so that just about anyone could achieve end game (items), the sense of achievement was lost on the 20% minority who worked hours, days, and months on achieving leet pixels. In classic EQ, that mentality exists even at level 20 when you get your surname and have items you could never attain at level 1 (untwinked and alone). To me, the same argument that says that twinks ruin the game applies to the argument that everyone on the server should have a free shot at end game loot. What becomes the point of raiding end game when everyone has a free shot?

Velious will solve many of the problems we are faced with in Kunark, but only until the top guilds on the server reach and maintain end game pixels. At some point, the staff is going to have to say "no" to the cry babies who want their free loot through de facto instances (rotations).

The staff could also consider adding an alternate system of acquiring end game capabilities for groups in Velious through AA, which would cut down on alts, distract low end from their incessant clamoring for free pixels, and provide mains a reason to play their mains outside of raids thus possibly increasing the sense of community for all players on the server.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you fucking serious? Anytime a class c guild crosses your path and tries to talk to you about anything involving the target were going after, you give a straight "fuck you" answer to us. You, sir, are the one who it is like pulling teeth to work with. Get over yourself, jesus christ.

Common denominator is class C. BDA works very well with the class R guilds.

[Arkaan]

Lol im sorry... I don't raid on live or here, but I must ask... WTF is CotH ducking? Makes me laugh every time I see it and I don't even know what it is.

Wouldn't your cast be interrupted if you duck? hahaha!

[Jarnauga]

We all agreed to a ruleset that took months to hash out. I really dont think it's wise to change things when it has been proved to be working.. Especially now just after 6 months, with velious on the horizon !

Let's not forget that the only socking in ffa happens because one class R guild decided to start a weapons race. And somehow it's because of IB and TMO ? Seriously, cut the bullshit right here..

Casuals have never killed so many dragons that in the last 6 months.. And i supported the rules change that enabled that. And now you wanna change the rules to get even more ? Some of the class R guilds can't even kill Trak on their own !

.. Who here wants more pixels ?

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Arkaan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol im sorry... I don't raid on live or here, but I must ask... WTF is CotH ducking? Makes me laugh every time I see it and I don't even know what it is.

Wouldn't your cast be interrupted if you duck? hahaha!

Chain casting CotH and ducking it each time you get close to landing it if the mob didn't spawn.

If the mob spawns while you're casting it, you let the CoTH go through which gives you a few seconds advantage in getting your person CotHed first.

Ultimate irony of this is that duck should not interrupt your spells in classic. For some reason they don't want to fix that on blue. The sole feature that red has that blue doesn't. Too bad red has tons of other non-classic features making it a custom server.

[Arkaan]

Thanks. Seems kind of absurd though. Why not just have the guy you were going to CotH stand on the spawn in the first place? Who are you trying to CotH anyway? your MT?

All of this so you get the first engage right?

This is why I don't raid lol

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Velious will be awesome, but I'm not really sure what we can do to assist it that has not already been done.

Also, from what I hear Velious is going to straight FFA. So the one good thing that came out of the raid negotiations last winter will be abandoned, and the release of Velious will see an explosion of pseudo-poopsocking the like of which we have never seen before.

So we should probably be talking more about what a new system for Velious should look like versus messing around with minor changes to the current one. Server population may double when Velious drops, but keeping 80% of people logging who got pissed off at the raid scene BEFORE and left til Velious will require something other than a FFA-playground for neckbeards that seems to be the default position at the moment...

Regards,
Mg

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Arkaan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks. Seems kind of absurd though. Why not just have the guy you were going to CotH stand on the spawn in the first place? Who are you trying to CotH anyway? your MT?

All of this so you get the first engage right?

This is why I don't raid lol

That's how it used to be done. But people were getting FTE with autofire macros/programs that would be firing off a /target nearest and /range Attack Hotkey hundreds of times per second. Some mobs were getting engaged before you even saw them on your screen. It was dumb.

So they said you could no longer be FTE with someone sitting at the spawn. Naturally mage CoTH is next fastest way to get FTE so here we are.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fraps and frivolous petition quest is IB's thing, not ours.

If the GM's were worth their salt they would institute a rule where any frivolous petition not supported by clear evidence would result in a forfeiture of the mob in question.

petitioning anything that is not a clear blatant foul is pathetic. Unfortunately it seems to be met with warmth by the service staff, and so Ib will continue to do it.

Dolic

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But you were the guild who petitioned BDA for having a few members do <1000 DMG to Nagafen under 20% when Taken had gotten him down that far to start and wasn't showing any signs of wiping right?

And wouldnt let it go for months until we were all forced to waste our time in a skype conference with the GMs.

Exactly. One of the many reasons Taken will not go to Class C if we have any choice in the matter.