Casinos - Page 10

Olscratch · #1 08-20-2014, 12:54 PM

Tookie's uninstalled. Nice job on the anti-gambling crusade Derubael, Tookie was one of the coolest guys on the server.

**Rogean** · #2 08-20-2014, 01:00 PM

Casinos are problematic for a number of reasons. Many people were getting scammed out of them as well as hiding other server forbidden activities behind them (use your imagination). Not only are these reasons enough but many EQLive servers DID prohibit their operations, and several MMO's in existance don't allow them either. Obviously as the behavior of the internet has evolved since 15 years ago, rules need to be adjusted to match.

fangz20 · #3 08-20-2014, 01:06 PM

Vegas is dead............ Bring on Reno Derubael

Argh · #4 08-20-2014, 01:31 PM

I think the biggest issue with casinos is that they provided a pretty easy way to mask RMT activity.

An NPC casino like the one that was in shadow haven on live would be pretty neat.

Also, player run casinos were not allowed on the server I played on during live (E'ci).

zforrestal · #5 08-20-2014, 01:44 PM

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I think the biggest issue with casinos is that they provided a pretty easy way to mask RMT activity.

An NPC casino like the one that was in shadow haven on live would be pretty neat.

Also, player run casinos were not allowed on the server I played on during live (E'ci).

Yea obviously the problem is RMT but it doesn't solve it and doesn't get rid of the people who are trying to do RMT's just helps the GM's be able to track them down easier..

I really don't think people are going to stop playing just because of this ruling. The only person they are really going to lose for good is me and that's because I just play to host a casino hence why I'm so adamant about the topic.. I feel they know that it is a loss which I guess is ok for me...

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How hard is it for people to understand that people were using "casinos" as a front for RMT plat sales? It is WAY more difficult to find and stop RMT when you exponentially increase the constant plat back and forth happening because of Casinos. We saw concrete evidence after the big RMT ban where people banned for RMT admitted they got their plat given to them from someone pretending to run a casino.

Come on people, think. This is a huge boon for RMT enforcement and it makes sitting in EC significantly less annoying.

I don't think people aren't grasping that aspect.. the point is the actions of others are affecting the actions of legitimate good people which for me is one of my big reasons and I'm assuming the reason for other people who run or play at casinos.

Shiftin · #6 08-20-2014, 01:48 PM

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Yea obviously the problem is RMT but it doesn't solve it and doesn't get rid of the people who are trying to do RMT's just helps the GM's be able to track them down easier..

I really don't think people are going to stop playing just because of this ruling. The only person they are really going to lose for good is me and that's because I just play to host a casino hence why I'm so adamant about the topic.. I feel they know that it is a loss which I guess is ok for me...

If your inventory gets continually seized, you tend to stop operating a store.

Rais · #7 08-20-2014, 02:08 PM

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I really don't think people are going to stop playing just because of this ruling. The only person they are really going to lose for good is me and that's because I just play to host a casino hence why I'm so adamant about the topic.. I feel they know that it is a loss which I guess is ok for me....

You voiced your opinion, and the rule won't change. Save yourself some heartache and move on from this argument.

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Link, Source? None of the staff members have mentioned RMT.
They won't even speak about any reason for the casino shut down/all gambling made illegal besides saying it wasn't primarily based on the (1) casino scam that happened.

It was stated. Help yourself to use the search function about how people get scammed from casino alone and other activity that involves rmt.

Olscratch · #8 08-20-2014, 01:52 PM

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I think the biggest issue with casinos is that they provided a pretty easy way to mask RMT activity.

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Shiftin · #9 08-20-2014, 01:53 PM

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BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

No, it's not bullshit. It's empirically proved out by flood of people who came forward when they were banned for RMT who said they were given plat or items purchased with real life money from people pretending to run a casino. Also, every staff member posting in this thread has said or alluded to the exact same thing, and they're the ones who have to comb through the logs to catch these assholes.

zforrestal · #10 08-20-2014, 02:01 PM

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No, it's not bullshit. It's empirically proved out by flood of people who came forward when they were banned for RMT who said they were given plat or items purchased with real life money from people pretending to run a casino. Also, every staff member posting in this thread has said or alluded to the exact same thing, and they're the ones who have to comb through the logs to catch these assholes.

I feel this doesn't help track down RMT's I can see how you'd think so.. but it's as easy as emailing one another, work out the transaction, go into game trade item... you dont even need a casino to hide that... but regardless I do understand the reasoning behind it, I just don't think it does anything... plus other reasons.

Show me after one year that RMT's have dropped or been easier to spot out since the Ban.. I don't think it will change.. I could be wrong though.

Also you couldn't wait 4 days to make this ruling.... my b-day is in 3 I was going to do something awesome :-P