Selling Epics? Outrageous prices?

[Loke]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No no no. Loke used to talk about all the skilled things he was doing with this pull and that pull. We killed LDCs together--that's a sacred bond, Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] But the fact that he's calling out Gaffin as a cheater (which I mean, is that even necessary at this point?) while also having cheated and just gotten luckier on the punishment seems hypocritical.

What? Firstly, the banned thing was only part of my dig at him, mostly I was referencing the fact that he's been universally rejected by basically every raid guild on the server because he is a mediocre, loot hungry player. Like 75% of the posts in his FE app thread referenced how often he talked about getting award a Hand of the Maestro as an app.

Also, when did I talk to about skilled pulls? After you went to IB and I went to DA, I don't remember us talking all that much, and if it was before that, it was without SEQ since we didn't start using it until we found out Tullian was using it.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still waiting on the game changing part.

70 MR (no epic) vs 126 MR (epic) on psalm, MR is king on raids, and 56 MR that stacks with everything is huge.

That is one of the biggest, but the bard epic isn't about 1 thing that it changes that makes it OP, it is about the combination of all those little changes that enables the class to do so much more with the limited time they have with their songs. Bard dps is bad, but 25 DPS is better than 0 for a raid. 56 MR might not be the be all end all, but if it keeps 2 or 3 rogues from getting feared for 8-10 seconds, that is huge. Ask TMO about how important resists are to raiding, took them awhile to figure out, but TMO today isn't wiping to gore with 70 people like TMO of the past, and the main reason for that is resists (not intended as a dig at TMO, you clear doing well now, but you guys have to admit in early Kunark some of you raids were straight up embarrassing). 30 atk from epic + the singing mod on the 55 melee song, applied to a group of rogues or monks is a significant dps increase. Any one of these things on their own isn't game changing, but when put together an epic bard brings so much to a raid that a non-epic bard cannot, that I would consider it game changing.

[Velerin]

Mage epic is pretty nice, and doesn't get replaced until PoP.

[thieros]

you are severely underestimating the importance of particle effects

[Gaffin 7.0]

never been rejected by any guild. kids in rnf believe anything

[Detoxx]

Werent u rejected by TMO during your app? You kno, the whole "fuk a epic, yaks works fine" thing?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

70 MR (no epic) vs 126 MR (epic) on psalm, MR is king on raids, and 56 MR that stacks with everything is huge.

That is one of the biggest, but the bard epic isn't about 1 thing that it changes that makes it OP, it is about the combination of all those little changes that enables the class to do so much more with the limited time they have with their songs. Bard dps is bad, but 25 DPS is better than 0 for a raid. 56 MR might not be the be all end all, but if it keeps 2 or 3 rogues from getting feared for 8-10 seconds, that is huge. Ask TMO about how important resists are to raiding, took them awhile to figure out, but TMO today isn't wiping to gore with 70 people like TMO of the past, and the main reason for that is resists (not intended as a dig at TMO, you clear doing well now, but you guys have to admit in early Kunark some of you raids were straight up embarrassing). 30 atk from epic + the singing mod on the 55 melee song, applied to a group of rogues or monks is a significant dps increase. Any one of these things on their own isn't game changing, but when put together an epic bard brings so much to a raid that a non-epic bard cannot, that I would consider it game changing.

^ Bards got enough shit going on. When they actually have to play varying songs that shit is invaluable. But seriously, fuck bard dps [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Also it lets the bard wear pd katana + epic which gives you another 20 sv all barring any songs. Is nice.

[Gaffin 7.0]

No I was helping druid do his epic in everfrost grouped/in Vent and got bant for mq2 flag.

Everyone was wondering what happened, shortly after that everyone and their momma talked shit about it, people that were good friends all of the sudden were shit talkers.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

70 MR (no epic) vs 126 MR (epic) on psalm, MR is king on raids, and 56 MR that stacks with everything is huge.

That is one of the biggest, but the bard epic isn't about 1 thing that it changes that makes it OP, it is about the combination of all those little changes that enables the class to do so much more with the limited time they have with their songs. Bard dps is bad, but 25 DPS is better than 0 for a raid. 56 MR might not be the be all end all, but if it keeps 2 or 3 rogues from getting feared for 8-10 seconds, that is huge. Ask TMO about how important resists are to raiding, took them awhile to figure out, but TMO today isn't wiping to gore with 70 people like TMO of the past, and the main reason for that is resists (not intended as a dig at TMO, you clear doing well now, but you guys have to admit in early Kunark some of you raids were straight up embarrassing). 30 atk from epic + the singing mod on the 55 melee song, applied to a group of rogues or monks is a significant dps increase. Any one of these things on their own isn't game changing, but when put together an epic bard brings so much to a raid that a non-epic bard cannot, that I would consider it game changing.

Yep, 56 MR is pretty good, i agree with this.

Still looking for the 55 melee song though, because the only things we get at that level is the hp/mana regen and the 8s stun+dd on a 5m cooldown. If you're talking about the level 54 song, it's a straight 45% haste with no stats, which you will not play during a raid because melee will have better haste from a chanter.

Unless you're talking about the level 57 McVaxius Rousing Rondo? That's a brass song, if you're in a group of rogues and monks and want to optimize raid damage, you should switch to your brass instrument when you play it.

So as an epic bard in a raid setting you provide 30 more str/atk and 56 more MR, than a non epic bard. Sorry but it's hardly game-changing.

[Gaffin 7.0]

idk some epic, was extremely high arrogant asshole

as for being a loot whore no idea what loke is talking about as I never looted or ask for anything other than getting my final epic piece, i tracked it for months with no luck

when I finally did track it and we killed it, it went to a tmo cleric's alt, forgot the wood elfs war's name