Which guild has the most cry babies?

[Jfertal]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not casual scum. Stop denying your birthright and come home.

only if you get svenn and lucabrazi to come too! my lord!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly. I am confused mostly about how the Officers of BDA is trying to make changes to something they never/rarely attempt as a guild. Yet we as a server are supposed to believe they know what they are talking about and support them in their endeavor for easier loot without working/competing for it.

the simplest answer is, all the shit BDA doesn't take part in is shit that we stopped taking part in because we felt it needed to be changed and didn't want to deal with the bullshit. Your position that we "can't" compete and "never could" and that's why you don't see us out there on FFA VS/Fay/Inny, not because we decided as a guild* with the successive bullshitting of each of these fights to opt out of them, is false.

*When I say "we decided as a guild," what I mean is that our guild leadership decided, and we all agreed implicitly by continuing to stay in the guild. Me, personally? I'd like to keep trying for Inny. Now that we know the bullshit games that other guilds are going to play with monk trackers and have the option of doing the same thing ourselves, I'd like to keep at it. But we're not, and I'm fine with it- I don't care enough about Inny, VS, or Fay to deguild over it. Why do I bring this up? Because this attitude of "all BDA are crybabies who don't want to compete" is stupid. I like competing- within reason. I also, however, agree with Chest and support his endless fight to get things fixed so that we can ALL enjoy this game, not just a select handful of ubernerd sadists whose primary joy comes from cockblocking everyone else from getting to take part in the dragon raids that made this game so fucking good 15 years ago.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the simplest answer is, all the shit BDA doesn't take part in is shit that we stopped taking part in because we felt it needed to be changed and didn't want to deal with the bullshit. Your position that we "can't" compete and "never could" and that's why you don't see us out there on FFA VS/Fay/Inny, not because we decided as a guild* with the successive bullshitting of each of these fights to opt out of them, is false.

*When I say "we decided as a guild," what I mean is that our guild leadership decided, and we all agreed implicitly by continuing to stay in the guild. Me, personally? I'd like to keep trying for Inny. Now that we know the bullshit games that other guilds are going to play with monk trackers and have the option of doing the same thing ourselves, I'd like to keep at it. But we're not, and I'm fine with it- I don't care enough about Inny, VS, or Fay to deguild over it. Why do I bring this up? Because this attitude of "all BDA are crybabies who don't want to compete" is stupid. I like competing- within reason. I also, however, agree with Chest and support his endless fight to get things fixed so that we can ALL enjoy this game, not just a select handful of ubernerd sadists whose primary joy comes from cockblocking everyone else from getting to take part in the dragon raids that made this game so fucking good 15 years ago.

Chest isn't trying to fix anything. He is trying to get rid of a competitive raid class in the raiding environment. If he was trying to fix it he would discuss ways to change the way mobs are tracked/engaged.

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If he was trying to fix it he would discuss ways to change the way mobs are tracked/engaged.

Oh, I get it. You're trolling. You'd have to be since everything Chest has been ranting and raving about for literally the entire length of time I've been in this guild, and the smart money is much, much earlier than that, has everything to do with how mobs are tracked and engaged.


Trak's lair becomes a horrid poopsock hovel, a shantytown where cartoon character drones piloted by angioplasty cases sit around for weeks at a time waiting for pops? That's a tracking and engagement issue.

Guilds buying up accounts en masse so they can leave hundreds of alts camped out at the spawn points of various mobs and their members can stand around with twelve character select screens loaded up for easy logging in on whatever spawns? That's a tracking and engagement issue.

VS/Inny become fights where guilds leave monks as trackers spamming javelins for FTE and Chest loses his shit- that's an engagement issue and a tracking issue


The problem with all the FFA shit as it is now, the reason Chest is fighting so hard to get it changed, is that there is no competition for first engagement in any healthy sense- it's about staring the longest at the screen, pushing "JAVELIN GO" first, scrapping and clawing and trampling each other with trains for FTE. These are engagement and tracking issues.

[Man0warr]

Don't need to take part in something stupid to know it's stupid.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't need to take part in something stupid to know it's stupid.

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[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't need to take part in something stupid to know it's stupid.

This entire game is just grinding in one spot waiting for things. Whether it's faydedar or your next exp level. I don't know what you did in EQ today, but I bet it wasn't THAT much different than tracking. And I bet it was a whole lot less rewarding.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This entire game is just grinding in one spot waiting for things. Whether it's faydedar or your next exp level. I don't know what you did in EQ today, but I bet it wasn't THAT much different than tracking. And I bet it was a whole lot less rewarding.

They push buttons for hours gaining xp or camping items but can't push track/macro (unless of course it is their mob on the rotation). Pushing a button in one scenario is "Stupid" but isn't in the other. I agree some changes need to be made to the tracking/FTE part of the game to eliminate accusations guilds throw at each other. I just don't agree that FFA needs to be given up as a class simply because you can't find someone to hit a button.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This entire game is just grinding in one spot waiting for things. Whether it's faydedar or your next exp level. I don't know what you did in EQ today, but I bet it wasn't THAT much different than tracking. And I bet it was a whole lot less rewarding.

Your right - but most other activities you can do in EQ are much more fun or personally rewarding than tracking a mob for 16 hours. There's a reason people are using autofire macros with their G15 keyboards lately.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your right - but most other activities you can do in EQ are much more fun or personally rewarding than tracking a mob for 16 hours. There's a reason people are using autofire macros with their G15 keyboards lately.

Clueless.