Guys, TMO is still killing dragons...

[Took]

This server gets worse every day. You guys should lobby for a bag of dragon loot to just be given to you upon character creation.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey, don't get mad at hatelore smatelore. I'm just saying, you can be as prepared as you want, as long as you only have 2 guildies in the zone when he spawns.

No where does it say 2 guild members in the zone. It says "Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.". No one ever said you couldn't have people at the zone line. In fact it never uses the word zone at all. "Raid Spawn Location" I think everyone can understand what is too close to the spawn if you plan to engage it. If you misunderstood the rules and camped out in DL that isn't the fault of other guilds.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No where does it say 2 guild members in the zone. It says "Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.". No one ever said you couldn't have people at the zone line. In fact it never uses the word zone at all. "Raid Spawn Location" I think everyone can understand what is too close to the spawn if you plan to engage it. If you misunderstood the rules and camped out in DL that isn't the fault of other guilds.

BDA's raid force was at illis jail when Trak popped, 6 minutes prior they had aggroed a see invis jugg at the invis wall. That was too close apparently. The rule still doesn't specify how close is too close. We found out by being suspended and have asked for clarification since. Toeing the line and not getting suspended is success?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA's raid force was at illis jail when Trak popped, 6 minutes prior they had aggroed a see invis jugg at the invis wall. That was too close apparently. The rule still doesn't specify how close is too close. We found out by being suspended and have asked for clarification since. Toeing the line and not getting suspended is success?

We're looking for concrete rules as well. Everyone had been inside KC at zone in (as we have for years waiting for targets) so we sat there as well. If they'd like to clarify those rules we'd be more than happy to follow them. People sit at the zone in to seb for trak as well, I'd imagine this is similar.

[slappytwotoes]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're looking for concrete rules as well. Everyone had been inside KC at zone in (as we have for years waiting for targets) so we sat there as well. If they'd like to clarify those rules we'd be more than happy to follow them. People sit at the zone in to seb for trak as well, I'd imagine this is similar.

Which is honestly what Striker's post is trying to do. OP rips on the recommendations presented but maybe this gets server staff's attention when other ways of asking haven't.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA's raid force was at illis jail when Trak popped, 6 minutes prior they had aggroed a see invis jugg at the invis wall. That was too close apparently. The rule still doesn't specify how close is too close. We found out by being suspended and have asked for clarification since. Toeing the line and not getting suspended is success?

BDA had members at poop mountain 4 minutes before he spawned. I know I was there tracking. A few had moved back to illis jail before then but not all. Then they eventually moved back as well. Trak spawned and all of your members that had been in Trak's lair not even 10 minutes before "Practicing to engage" came storming back into his lair. Trying to compare KC ZL to what BDA did at that Trak is just not very intelligent.

Your guild cleared mobs that would have been in the way prior to his spawning and just ran back in when he spawned. It was a clear violation of rules what happened there. You had a raid there clearing mobs and they were part of the raid that engaged and killed Trak. FE/IB and TMO sitting at KC ZL or any zone line not killing anything close to targets is nowhere near the same.

[White Ranger Rides]

Originally Posted by Insane-Truthteller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

interesting.....so when a FE cleric was exping in LCY half way tru VS's window, was this to clear the courtyard so FE could run through unhindered by mobs

or was did he just have a craving for crappy KC group exp at 1 am

gosh darn, i mean with only 16 hours windows bros think about it, thats barely the Pain Soul camp you guys have each done 3-4 times. This aint shit, VS = the new loot piñata

What?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Insane-Truthteller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

interesting.....so when a FE cleric was exping in LCY half way tru VS's window, was this to clear the courtyard so FE could run through unhindered by mobs

or was did he just have a craving for crappy KC group exp at 1 am

gosh darn, i mean with only 16 hours windows bros think about it, thats barely the Pain Soul camp you guys have each done 3-4 times. This aint shit, VS = the new loot piñata

You should probably just stop typing. FE/IB and TMO have a lot of members not KoS to the dogs in KC. This is a benefit of killing mobs in VP. A quick drink of a IVU pot and the majority can get there without aggroing a single mob if they watch the pathing of the little dogs. Of course mistakes still happen and a train can happen... but mobs being cleared isn't a big priority in KC for those 3 guilds.

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No where does it say 2 guild members in the zone. It says "Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.". No one ever said you couldn't have people at the zone line. In fact it never uses the word zone at all. "Raid Spawn Location" I think everyone can understand what is too close to the spawn if you plan to engage it. If you misunderstood the rules and camped out in DL that isn't the fault of other guilds.

I would also like to note that BDA was CLEARING MOBS to GET CLOSER TO TRAK FASTER (even if they happened to leave, it helped gain an advantage).

If the "5 extra people" at zone in were clearing all the mobs between ZI and LCY to VS pit, then I could see the argument.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No where does it say 2 guild members in the zone. It says "Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.". No one ever said you couldn't have people at the zone line. In fact it never uses the word zone at all. "Raid Spawn Location" I think everyone can understand what is too close to the spawn if you plan to engage it. If you misunderstood the rules and camped out in DL that isn't the fault of other guilds.

You never learn do you.

Originally Posted by Insane-Truthteller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anything that requires this much rule-lawyer text to explain that your tactics are 'ok' probably isn't all that genuine in the spirit of PNP

At least some people get it.