All Players are Raid Suspended Until Further Notice

[HallygukRZ]

Glad I logged in Sky before I left for my Xmas Holidays [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back on sunday, hope we have found a solution til then. Most of the <Europa> officers are on Holiday.

[Rogean]

For this particular raid suspension, triggered mobs are allowed to be killed by raid groups. Examples are Ixi Blat, Rogue Epic General (Do not raid kill the other dark elves though).

Ragefire is irrelevant because nagafen cannot be killed atm.

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

~checks watch~

Well it’s about that time little birds.

Sadly since no agreement was reached, and since no talks are currently in place, I am raid suspending all guilds, and all players, from ALL raid targets and ALL raid zones.

Until further notice anyone who touches a raid mob (VP Dragons, Trak, VS, CT, Draco, Inny, Maestro, Gore, Fay, Tal, Sev, Noble, OoA, Naggy, Vox, Phinny, Ragefire, Planar Trash, or anything else I forgot) or enters into Plane of Sky, Plane of Hate, Plane of Fear, or Veeshan’s Peak, will be banned until the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, until the seas go dry and the mountains blow in the wind like leaves. Only Then you shall return and continue playing should you break these rules.

With all due respect Sirken, isn't it inappropriate to instill this kind of policy on the entirety of the server? Not everyone should be held accountable for the actions of the guilds that could not come to an agreement within your allotted time frame.

I understand that this is your server, and I understand that we're playing here for free and I'm sure most of us appreciate everything that you guys do for us, but this project exists after all, because of us, not albeit us.

Without the fans, there is no P1999 community, and this in my opinion, everything else aside, is not an appropriate way to treat the community.

If the guilds that were meant to all be a part of this decision making process could not come to an agreement, then whichever guilds weren't willing to agree to any arrangement should be the ones who cannot raid, going forward.

I mean, I'm not even in a guild right now, but if I made one for example, with every intention of sharing at that, then it's not right for this rule to apply to those of us who weren't the culprits who refused to get along.

I've been calling out for fairness and a way for the guilds to share this content for quite some time now. I've even brought up raid rotations as something I felt fair and just. I just don't believe that this is in the best of taste to subjugate all of the community based on those who wouldn't share.

And mind you I'll reiterate here that I'm not even in a guild. None of my characters are, so I am not raiding either way. This is a statement of principle and nothing more.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Morgander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With all due respect Sirken, isn't it inappropriate to instill this kind of policy on the entirety of the server?

No.

Originally Posted by Morgander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not everyone should be held accountable for the actions of the guilds that could not come to an agreement within your allotted time frame.

you are foolish if you think the raid scene is the way it is because of one or two guilds. the reason all the guilds were suspended is because we hold them all accountable for the current raiding environment.

Originally Posted by Morgander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand that this is your server, and I understand that we're playing here for free and I'm sure most of us appreciate everything that you guys do for us, but this project exists after all, because of us, not albeit us.
Without the fans, there is no P1999 community, and this in my opinion, everything else aside, is not an appropriate way to treat the community.

Correction, this server exists because Nilbog and Rogean wanted to see if they could make a truly classic EQ experience. and if other people had a want for classic EQ they were encouraged to try it out. if you think we owe you anything at all, you are mistaken.

Originally Posted by Morgander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the guilds that were meant to all be a part of this decision making process could not come to an agreement, then whichever guilds weren't willing to agree to any arrangement should be the ones who cannot raid, going forward. I mean, I'm not even in a guild right now, but if I made one for example, with every intention of sharing at that, then it's not right for this rule to apply to those of us who weren't the culprits who refused to get along.

the casual raiding guilds agreed on one thing, the hardcore raiding guilds agreed on something else. that is by definition the epitome of disagreement. since you're not in a raiding guild, and probably have no idea whats been going on, i'll shed some light on it for you. the guilds have been instructed to reach an agreement that benefits all guilds both current and future. so far both sides have only made deals which benefit their own needs. the casual raiding guilds all agreed to go from 10% of all raid targets to 50% of all raid targets (OMG WAT A SHOCK DER), and the hardcore raiding guilds agreed to give up ~7 days a month. that is not even close to a fair agreement, and is no surprise that the hardcore guilds said no.

Originally Posted by Morgander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been calling out for fairness and a way for the guilds to share this content for quite some time now. I've even brought up raid rotations as something I felt fair and just. I just don't believe that this is in the best of taste to subjugate all of the community based on those who wouldn't share.
And mind you I'll reiterate here that I'm not even in a guild. None of my characters are, so I am not raiding either way. This is a statement of principle and nothing more.

there are fair ways to do it, thats about the only correct part of your post, and i believe there are two good proposals currently in the raid forum. and allow me to reiterate something as well, rotations are stupid. they remove every and all chance for competition/racing for mobs between guilds. if you want instances or triggered spawns there are tons of other MMOs out there like that. but the competition/racing for mobs aspect is one of the major things that set Classic EQ apart from other MMOs, and is here to stay in some fashion or another.






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[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

allow me to reiterate something as well, rotations are stupid. they remove every and all chance for competition/racing for mobs between guilds. if you want instances or triggered spawns there are tons of other MMOs out there like that. but the competition/racing for mobs aspect is one of the major things that set Classic EQ apart from other MMOs, and is here to stay in some fashion or another.

So can we throw away all that lock out nonsense and the 2 mob bag limit stuff on repops?

Repop days are about the only truly classic mob racing raiding done. Limiting it to 2 per guild means the same guilds are almost always going to go for the same 2 most valuable targets they can get with the least competition/headache.

Lockouts = rotation.

I wouldn't really give a shit if the entire server did a rotation ( or raid mobs just didn't spawn normally), as long as repops were often and they were FFA.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So can we throw away all that lock out nonsense and the 2 mob bag limit stuff on repops?

Repop days are about the only truly classic mob racing raiding done. Limiting it to 2 per guild means the same guilds are almost always going to go for the same 2 most valuable targets they can get with the least competition/headache.

Lockouts = rotation.

I wouldn't really give a shit if the entire server did a rotation ( or raid mobs just didn't spawn normally), as long as repops were often and they were FFA.

I can already see alts parked for repops...

blah, I don't even want to raid anymore.

[Amontillado]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So can we throw away all that lock out nonsense and the 2 mob bag limit stuff on repops?

So, change nothing? Then we would have the same old BS that has been plaguing the server.

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[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Amontillado [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, change nothing? Then we would have the same old BS that has been plaguing the server.

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have you even read the proposals or do you just not understand them?

[Rupertox]

After this happened, ive got to spent time with my family, they seems to be cool people [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Rupertox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After this happened, ive got to spent time with my family, they seems to be cool people [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

+1 very nice.