Sebilis Crypt Camp

[Millburn]

Crypt is a 4 slot camp, any individual or group can claim any part(s) of the 4 slot camp that they demonstrate as having the ability to clear and maintain and is not presently claimed by another individual or group.

All grey areas outside of this framework should be common sense and subject to play nice rules.

That's my proposal

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again - if you were to create a rule on the seb crypt, how would you word it, where would it apply (IE, just the crypt, or other camps as well?) and when?

I'm no rules lawyer, but if I were in charge I would enforce the following:

1. If a 'normal' crypt group is dealing with Chottal and some asshat(s) move into the crypt or any of its rooms, they should get the boot. Rogean's ruling was fine for the first month of Kunark when there were 75 people in Sebilis, but IMO its just one camp now.

2. If some shaman/enchanter/etc is clearing the Hierophant and the Duke and in one of their rooms, he gets the entire crypt (he is after all clearing 99% of its monetary value) but not the emperor. Of course if he wants to work something out with the incoming crypt group (preferable) then that is fine. Going AFK with a 'im camping the crypt' message is highly recommended in this case.

3. If some shaman/enchanter/etc is clearing only one of the spawns (i.e. group shows up and the 'other' spawn stays up for 5+ minutes) then they can claim the rest of the Crypt and the emperor per rule 1, with the exception of the room previously held.

This is all more or less common sense to me.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm no rules lawyer, but if I were in charge I would enforce the following:

1. If a 'normal' crypt group is dealing with Chottal and some asshat(s) move into the crypt or any of its rooms, they should get the boot. Rogean's ruling was fine for the first month of Kunark when there were 75 people in Sebilis, but IMO its just one camp now.

2. If some shaman/enchanter/etc is clearing the Hierophant and the Duke and in one of their rooms, he gets the entire crypt (he is after all clearing 99% of its monetary value) but not the emperor. Of course if he wants to work something out with the incoming crypt group (preferable) then that is fine. Going AFK with a 'im camping the crypt' message is highly recommended in this case.

3. If some shaman/enchanter/etc is clearing only one of the spawns (i.e. group shows up and the 'other' spawn stays up for 5+ minutes) then they can claim the rest of the Crypt and the emperor per rule 1, with the exception of the room previously held.

This is all more or less common sense to me.

This. The main point is that us as players should be able to settle this and not get the GM's into making the rules.

[Lojik]

I don't think the ruling is that bad
PersonA- Camping Duke +Hiero
GroupB- Claiming whole crypt
PersonA can only claim one camp, as GroupB is only claiming one camp (crypt sans whatever PersonA camping)

But eh not too pressed on whatever the ruling is, people take this stuff too seriously imo
Ready to be flamed...Go!

[Nastinate]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This. The main point is that us as players should be able to settle this and not get the GM's into making the rules.

agreed

The rules have always been pretty black and white so that people cant abuse them, if u complicate the rules your gonna open up all sorts of loop holes.

[freez]

derub ur so mean 2 me

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This. The main point is that us as players should be able to settle this and not get the GM's into making the rules.

Yup, we should be. But we aren't.

[Spitty]

Propose -

When camping crypt, you are entitled to claim the spawns you are currently clearing - i.e. you can camp the Hierophant by yourself, or you can camp the entire crypt and emperor with your group.

The only exception is if you are camping specific spawns without clearing the entire crypt and without sufficient force to do so, and a sufficient group arrives with intent to clear the entire camp. In this scenario, you need to select a single target to engage first and acknowledge that the remaining spawns are open to being contested by the arriving group. Example - you are clearing the Duke and Hierophant PHs and a group arrives. You select Duke to be your camp and FTE rules apply to all other mobs - Hierophant included.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Propose -

When camping crypt, you are entitled to claim the spawns you are currently clearing - i.e. you can camp the Hierophant by yourself, or you can camp the entire crypt and emperor with your group.

The only exception is if you are camping specific spawns without clearing the entire crypt and without sufficient force to do so, and a sufficient group arrives with intent to clear the entire camp. In this scenario, you need to select a single target to engage first and acknowledge that the remaining spawns are open to being contested by the arriving group. Example - you are clearing the Duke and Hierophant PHs and a group arrives. You select Duke to be your camp and FTE rules apply to all other mobs - Hierophant included.

I thought that was what was proposed? I think I need an actual lawyer to understand these rules.

[Freakish]

On the matter of Crypt I would go with:
PersonA is camping Duke+Heiro (or whatever combination). They have claim to both mobs as they were there first.
GroupB comes in and tries to rule lawyer PersonA out of there. GroupB should have no say as PersonA is only killing the parts of the camp that he wants. GroupB can have any of the spawns PersonA allows them but needs to leave PersonA mobs alone.

In this situation GroupB is being a drain on society. They have no right to any of the mobs save for what PersonA allows.

Another situation: If you are currently clearing to a camp (say King in sebilis, so as not to confuse this with the Crypt issue) and a group jumps you as you're pulling mobs to get into camp position, you should have no claim over the group you just jumped. You would have had to kill the same monsters to get to the camp, you might have gotten to the single cash spawn first simply by running past the cleared area but you were not in the process of clearing the camp.