Is the raid scene really that bad?

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You must have forgotten the part where FE came on to the scene claiming to knock out TMO and that TMO better be ready, then FE started getting kills and talking more smack. Your guild brought it upon themselves to try and fill IB's shoes and it cost you.

You could argue that it was a result of TMO's attitude towards the server or any form of competition as well.

Either way you look at it raiding on p99 leaves a lot to be desired.


Trains outside of VP barely ever enforced.
Variance is fucked.
Kiting raid mobs to stall for your guild not enforced as it should be.
ONE guild more or less dictating any kind of reforms to raid scene.
ONE guild fighting against the rest of the server when any kind of discussion regarding altering the raid scene in any way that might lessen their pixel intake.


Shits fucked anyway you look at it really, but all we can do is hope for change.

Hopefully if/when sirken and rogean have another twitch discussion its about the blue server and the sad state of the raid scene is discussed.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could argue that it was a result of TMO's attitude towards the server or any form of competition as well.

Either way you look at it raiding on p99 leaves a lot to be desired.


Trains outside of VP barely ever enforced.
Variance is fucked.
Kiting raid mobs to stall for your guild not enforced as it should be.
ONE guild more or less dictating any kind of reforms to raid scene.
ONE guild fighting against the rest of the server when any kind of discussion regarding altering the raid scene in any way that might lessen their pixel intake.


Shits fucked anyway you look at it really, but all we can do is hope for change.

Hopefully if/when sirken and rogean have another twitch discussion its about the blue server and the sad state of the raid scene is discussed.

You can't blame TMO for how your guild acts or reacts. Take responsibility.

Trains are easily dealt with, both in-game and getting staff to hand out punishments. They aren't as common or as bad as you make them out to be.

Variance sucks, but it's obviously here to sucking stay. That's the staff's fault, you won't be able to find a single player that wants that shit.

Kiting happens very seldom, but is something that is easily resolved.

The raid scene doesn't need reforms so much as guilds need realistic views on what they want from the raid scene. You could easily ignore TMO.

The only alteration that the raid scene needs is removing variance and giving the server weekly repops. Then just hand out raid suspensions for poopsocking.

[Arteker]

tmo never dictated any reform on the rules , when sirken asked us to step in and test changes we agree.

sadly since it diidnt worked for some guilds as it was suposed to be it was removed.


as i remember staff hass been very helpfull to help with some of the issues of raidin like FTE shouts.

[Bantam 1]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could argue that it was a result of TMO's attitude towards the server or any form of competition as well.

Either way you look at it raiding on p99 leaves a lot to be desired.


Trains outside of VP barely ever enforced.
Variance is fucked.
Kiting raid mobs to stall for your guild not enforced as it should be.
ONE guild more or less dictating any kind of reforms to raid scene.
ONE guild fighting against the rest of the server when any kind of discussion regarding altering the raid scene in any way that might lessen their pixel intake.


Shits fucked anyway you look at it really, but all we can do is hope for change.

Hopefully if/when sirken and rogean have another twitch discussion its about the blue server and the sad state of the raid scene is discussed.

If someone is stalling... then take it and fraps what's going on. This kinda falls under the island justice tiggles said.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Bantam 1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If someone is stalling... then take it and fraps what's going on. This kinda falls under the island justice tiggles said.

The problem is fraps is usually dismissed when submitted from FE, don't you think we have tried getting justice? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kiting and training (intentional or unintentional) has been done by both sides, but only one guild is asked to sit out spawns or has their players suspended(as far as I'm aware.) I'm not talking bout shit in the past that happened with IB either.

And arteker you need to stop bringing up the stuff that happened 2years ago, I'm talking about stuff that's happened in the last 4 or 5 months.

[Bantam 1]

TMO starts a rotation -

guild x decides to not respect the rotation.

[Zhaige]

Originally Posted by Bantam 1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO starts a rotation -

guild x decides to not respect the rotation.

Blacklist said guild? If you have 3 or 4 guilds in a rotation with TMO and one guild decides to act a fool, will it be difficult for the congregation of guilds to deal with them? Blacklisted guild members would have more difficult times finding groups, purchasing items, etc. Plus, individuals in that guild, who quite possibly spent a lot of time and effort building their characters and reputation, probably wouldn't like their name to be associated with a negative guild. As a result, the blacklisted guilds numbers dwindle until the point that they cannot raid anymore.

The power of the players in this game should be respected. We shouldn't rely on the devs to solve these issues, but we should solve them ourselves. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let us use our powers of civilization and diplomacy to create a positive atmosphere that we can all enjoy! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Bantam 1]

Originally Posted by Zhaige [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blacklist said guild? If you have 3 or 4 guilds in a rotation with TMO and one guild decides to act a fool, will it be difficult for the congregation of guilds to deal with them? Blacklisted guild members would have more difficult times finding groups, purchasing items, etc. Plus, individuals in that guild, who quite possibly spent a lot of time and effort building their characters and reputation, probably wouldn't like their name to be associated with a negative guild. As a result, the blacklisted guilds numbers dwindle until the point that they cannot raid anymore.

The power of the players in this game should be respected. We shouldn't rely on the devs to solve these issues, but we should solve them ourselves. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let us use our powers of civilization and diplomacy to create a positive atmosphere that we can all enjoy! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah this works unless the guild becomes strong enough to not care either way.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Zhaige [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blacklist said guild? If you have 3 or 4 guilds in a rotation with TMO and one guild decides to act a fool, will it be difficult for the congregation of guilds to deal with them? Blacklisted guild members would have more difficult times finding groups, purchasing items, etc. Plus, individuals in that guild, who quite possibly spent a lot of time and effort building their characters and reputation, probably wouldn't like their name to be associated with a negative guild. As a result, the blacklisted guilds numbers dwindle until the point that they cannot raid anymore.

The power of the players in this game should be respected. We shouldn't rely on the devs to solve these issues, but we should solve them ourselves. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let us use our powers of civilization and diplomacy to create a positive atmosphere that we can all enjoy! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Great idea but rotations just annihilate any sense of competition between guilds.
When you actively take part in attempting to kill raid bosses you will realize there are many other problems involved.

You can't use diplomacy or reason with a group of greedy folks who really could care less if there were even any other guilds on the server aside from them.

[Ragaroth]

This 'end-game' guild drama is the equivalent of suiting up in your high school football uniform and bodyslamming people at the bar where you guys chose to meet up at for your 10 year reunion, all the while scream-reminiscing about your 'four touchdowns in one game'. Al Bundys, everywhere.