Velious Variance Discussion:

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Tiddlywinks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

adapated.

Read: so addicted to classic EverQuest they're doing the equivalent of using knowingly laced drugs to get their fix.

Server needs to turn up the classic heat and burn out all the impurities imo.

[Ambrotos]

Wasn't Vulak tied to the other dragons? Or was that patched down the road? aka If you pulled Vulak when other dragons were up, they would come and assist Vulak.

[Rhambuk]

Variance was bad in classic, Variance is bad in kunark, and variance will be bad in velious.

Checking this thread again in +/-48 hours and possibly +24 hours if I think of checking it in the last, whatever the stupid rule is, few hours of the first 96 hours.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't Vulak tied to the other dragons? Or was that patched down the road? aka If you pulled Vulak when other dragons were up, they would come and assist Vulak.

Yes, until they made the ring event which was horrid.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't Vulak tied to the other dragons? Or was that patched down the road? aka If you pulled Vulak when other dragons were up, they would come and assist Vulak.

I believe the original Vulak event involved him calling NToV (or at least a few of the named dragons in NToV) to his side, CT-style. Ele eludes to this here:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...1&postcount=40

[Nirgon]

And no Mehrk

What sounds classic is no GM interference zones and implementing the Verant play nice policy.

I was going to spell out everything in the play nice policy but I'll boil it down to this. A GM may take the law into their own hands to ensure a fair and fun play experience for all. I saw Ozuri (there was no higher CSR GM) put this into full effect on my home server of Rallos Zek and *literally* gut the griefer/hard core elite as shit community. I saw how he listened to everyone's case and then rule or no rule being in effect, did what was best for the community (and completely fucked over my elite pvp raid sect.. but in retrospect, I kinda see why). It really made the server a more "friendly" atmosphere that retained subs. You know who did things like this? Big Uthgard. However, as I'm aware, the job kind of ... got to him and he made the occasional off the cuff ruling after (understandably) dealing with so many ridiculous people had him jazzed up to the point of a nuclear melt down. Likely in his terms: try being one person and responding to every petition and dealing with all the bull shit involved while more roll in.

Unfortunately for us we don't have a paid staff of guides around the globe to tolerate and enforce every single petition that comes into their inbox. Nor could we trust or keep an eye on that many people in positions of power. So we're left with either a staff that takes on what they can sanely handle, and some things like dealing with a population who refuse to stop making variations of the name Cannabis (think of Harrison making forum accounts here) go unresolved or you get someone like Uthgard who is compelled to handle every single act of non-classic injustice and by the nature of doing so, is a rapist to all who oppose a fun, sharing play environment.

And let me tell you this one last thing. You guys think Uthgard laid down the hammer and did things that made the tough guys around here cry (like death touching an entire zone), Ozuri brought down the thunder of thunders. He'd impose rules like if you PvP'd in a zone with a raid target, he'd just shut down the zone for the night so he could go to bed and 2 week suspend anyone for doing it with a second offense of immediate ban without parole hearing. He banned so many people in the course of a month during Velious that hadn't broken any listed rule other than "not playing nice", it would make your head spin.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't Vulak tied to the other dragons? Or was that patched down the road? aka If you pulled Vulak when other dragons were up, they would come and assist Vulak.

A Vulak attack initially worked like attacking CT. Except any of the named dragons in the zone would be brought to him upon attack.

However.

Certain monks who were elite enough (yes EQ has skill disclaimer) at FD pulling could handle the pull such that you could kill Vulak and leave Lord Vyemm (Vyemm being the toughest bitch in there) up. This created cries of exploit or unfairness from top guilds who did not have pull teams that could accomplish this, so it was changed to a ring event.

My opinion? Classic Vulak of course. Not sure if pulling mechanics here match live closely enough but I think they do to allow this. Those who played know of it and may already be ready to attempt a Vyemmless Vulak kill.

Vyemm I see being a cock block until people gear up and learn the fight, but a Vulak kill (along with most others) may indeed be a very possible day 1 reality with the amount of sky haste, rogues/clerics and VP gear thoroughly farmed.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't Vulak tied to the other dragons? Or was that patched down the road? aka If you pulled Vulak when other dragons were up, they would come and assist Vulak.

Vulak would rain havoc down upon your raid if you aggro'd him without killing the rest of the dragons first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AcAxGE-8ag

My body is ready to recreate this scene in 1080p for all time.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't Vulak tied to the other dragons? Or was that patched down the road? aka If you pulled Vulak when other dragons were up, they would come and assist Vulak.

He would shout every few seconds but the script was easy to get around.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then when Velious comes out this server should be blown up and restarted on classic time line.

Problem solved.

This is exactly what should be done. Call this iteration an extended beta and do it right next time. It's been a lot of fun and I'd be willing to do it again, I mean -- we all already are, right?

Seriously though, nothing else solves the very non-classic condition of this server and folks possessing multiple raid-ready characters which they can just plant wherever. You could wave a magic wand tomorrow and make all the rules exactly classic, but if the well-geared alt armies remain then mobilization is trivialized. That's not classic.