My anti-military thread..

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, but in the end they agree to kill habeeb algebra should the need arise.

Yeah, but they don't get to determine if they need to or not.

They are told they will kill in defense (for our people or for others that can't defend themselves, etc)

Not

We are going to send you to kill these guys under the guise of WMDs but in reality we just want that oil.

Problem is, once you sign up for the top, you have no rights to disagree if they send you for the bottom. You're just above a slave in your rights as a human.

[Autotune]

Also, i'm tired and not even checking any of this shit I type out.

[Tippett]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When your government tells them they must go overseas, they will have to.

this part isnt true, a huge amount of military members are complete leeches on the system who are malingering

its actually an enormous fucking problem in the military, the ones who actually go overseas are typically people who actually have work ethic and appreciate what the american people are providing them


and to ur other point yes i do feel like i had to join the military to avoid student debt for my future education, i was raised in extreme poverty with absolutely no generational wealth

so now i have to jump through additional fucking hoops in order to build any generational wealth for my child

its extremely unfucking fair, but that's life and its going to be the way it is whether we choose to accept it or not

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point is, most see joining the military (before all these oil wars) as starting a new life at the cost of possibly risking their life for 4-6 years or so.

When your government tells them they must go overseas, they will have to. They've gambled and now pay the price, while you... do whatever it is you do.

You're judging them as if they aren't people, well they are.

I bet the vast majority of them joined so they wouldn't have a mountain of school loans to pay off as well. However, if it makes you feel better to constantly make fun of the grunts who were just trying to make a life better than they previously had, go right ahead. Live in your fantasy land where people are signing up to murder sand people b/c they are different.

Most anyone who spends time with socializing with actual people and not college hippy freeloaders see how things are for the military grunts. They chose to join and defend, got called to war and now have to fight or risk being at the "mercy" of the us government.

So you're saying that there are no opportunities in the USA for making a living other than the military?

[Tippett]

autotune man u have a good attitude but ur kinda over dramatizing it along with hasbinbad, its not like u get there and your ordered to kill people

i deployed with ranger regiment, trust me i know

this is kinda wut my original post was about people who haven't been there having these strange almost theatrical opinions on the military

[Tippett]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying that there are no opportunities in the USA for making a living other than the military?

im done arguing with you, you just completely avoid counterpoints

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Tippett [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this was in response to you saying all military members were "LOUD I SERVED FAGGOTS"

and i told you a huge majority are not because i actually know military members and the obnoxious dog tag nerds are few and far in between

then u tried ot make some point about us wearing the same uniform at work meaning we all behaved the same off duty or something

it just didnt make sense

You're making a distinction I do not recognize. As far as I'm concerned, while you're under contract, you're never "off duty." They can call you back any time until that contract runs out, right?

And I used language to insinuate that even tho you may in fact have different personalities, you're all still ants slaved to that contract.

You still never answered my question about refusing orders. The picture you're painting is that people can not shoot people they have been ordered to shoot if they don't want to. I've asked you if it's ok to refuse orders, and you completely sidestepped that.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Tippett [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im done arguing with you, you just completely avoid counterpoints

On the contrary, I feel that I have answered you at every point, and furthermore I have actively sought out deeper understanding of your points so that I might reply in a more sapient fashion. You on the other have have made many points which are not salient to the topic, trying to drag my attention this way and that, without actually answering the few direct questions I've asked you.

Look in the mirror man.

[Tippett]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The picture you're painting is that people can not shoot people they have been ordered to shoot if they don't want to. I've asked you if it's ok to refuse orders, and you completely sidestepped that.

since i was criticizing you for dodging points ill go a bit more into detail for you on this one, i like giving people insight into actual military goings on that haven't been sensationalized for profit by media organizations

if the hypothetical situation came up where i was ordered by a higher ranking officer to just "kill" someone who did attack me first or even if they did, no i would not have to do it.

later they could bring me to a ucmj trial i suppose (they never would its an enormous inconvenience for everyone involved) where i would be tried for refusal to follow an order. and I could just say i was anxious or didn't feel competent to make the decision at the time and I would never be convicted/punished

[Tippett]

didn't* attack me first

yeah ive been up all night, its one of those manic weekends haha