Would I be stupid to want to roll a second pally?

[Elizondo]

If you go High Elf dump everything into Wisdom

Your base CHA is already good and with Cultural Armor and a Crude Stein you're good to go

STR is ridiculously easy to raise and cheap to do so

120 Base Wisdom for a Paladin can't be beat

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, it's not worth meleeing even with a very twinked Cleric past 40 or so. Race is not a huge deal on a Cleric, so if you're dead set on a High Elf you can make it work.

If I didn't have a Dwarf Pally already I'd consider it, but if Charisma is really the min/max path, then doesn't that automatically rule Dwarf out of being a min/max choice because of their asscrack Charisma score?

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I didn't have a Dwarf Pally already I'd consider it, but if Charisma is really the min/max path, then doesn't that automatically rule Dwarf out of being a min/max choice because of their asscrack Charisma score?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Kobold_Jester%27s_Crown
https://wiki.project1999.com/Crude_Stein
https://wiki.project1999.com/Matchless_Dragonskin_Mask
https://wiki.project1999.com/Cat_Eye_Velium_Necklace
https://wiki.project1999.com/Seahorse_Spine_Bracelet
https://wiki.project1999.com/Froststone_Stein

+87 CHA from 6 cheap items (one's even free) . Throw them on when you're in the rare situation where a failed lull is guaranteed to kill you. Keep them in the bag the other 99.99% of your playtime when you aren't that worried about it, and prioritize much more valuable stats like WIS, HP, mana, AC, etc...

CHA is not a dump stat but it's extremely overrated in importance for Paladins and Clerics given how cheap and abundant +CHA gear is and how rarely you actually NEED to maximize it to survive.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Kobold_Jester%27s_Crown
https://wiki.project1999.com/Crude_Stein
https://wiki.project1999.com/Matchless_Dragonskin_Mask
https://wiki.project1999.com/Cat_Eye_Velium_Necklace
https://wiki.project1999.com/Seahorse_Spine_Bracelet
https://wiki.project1999.com/Froststone_Stein

+87 CHA from 6 cheap items (one's even free) . Throw them on when you're in the rare situation where a failed lull is guaranteed to kill you. Keep them in the bag the other 99.99% of your playtime when you aren't that worried about it, and prioritize much more valuable stats like WIS, HP, mana, AC, etc...

CHA is not a dump stat but it's extremely overrated in importance for Paladins and Clerics given how cheap and abundant +CHA gear is and how rarely you actually NEED to maximize it to survive.

Then why are people recommending it over Sta or Wis? Is there any reason other than because it's easy enough to max Sta/Wis without dumping bonus points into it?

[Troxx]

High Elf tunare sword is worth it

I only banked it for NToV spear Luck

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then why are people recommending it over Sta or Wis? Is there any reason other than because it's easy enough to max Sta/Wis without dumping bonus points into it?

I think it's a combination of people not realizing how cheap and easy it is to acquire a set of CHA gear, and people overestimating how often a critical lull would be fatal. And then of course some people make all their recommendations assuming your character at 60 with full NToV gear and raid buffs (not realistic or useful for most players).

[Jimjam]

Starting stats are best allocated considering low level / undergeared play. This also means considering what stats are most useful on a corpse run.

Charisma is a great choice in that regard as often CRs will involve stealthing back into camps with no charisma gear to swap to.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Starting stats are best allocated considering low level / undergeared play. This also means considering what stats are most useful on a corpse run.

Charisma is a great choice in that regard as often CRs will involve stealthing back into camps with no charisma gear to swap to.

But how often are you really going on perilous naked CRs , requiring you to lull your way through a dangerous dungeon solo, naked and with no assistance?

Versus how often do just get your corpse dragged by a Rogue/Monk/SK or worst case summoned by a Nec?

It doesn't make sense to prioritize a stat that you rarely need like CHA, compared to one like STA or WIS (or even STR for a High Elf) that you get more direct benefit from.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then why are people recommending it over Sta or Wis? Is there any reason other than because it's easy enough to max Sta/Wis without dumping bonus points into it?

Because if you're soloing in dungeons, you will lull. Gear swapping is annoying and will still leave you in a charisma deficit. And at 45 you get clicky lull so might as well capitalize on that.

I went STA on my SK, and regretted it. It's useless, unless you're in a Cheal chain.

I went WIS in my Pally, it's pretty useless as pallies mostly heal with DW bp/helm. I'd rather have a higher chance of crit success then maybe getting off one more HoT at 59 with the extra WIS.

If you plan to be mostly casual, don't plan to do much dungeon soloing, then honestly STR is probably your best bet. It will take a long time for a casual high elf to max strength, even with thurg gear/yaulp 4.

TLDR: Starting stat points will never have an objective answer nor will really make any truly noticeable difference. Pick the one that caters to your playstyle.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because if you're soloing in dungeons, you will lull. Gear swapping is annoying and will still leave you in a charisma deficit. And at 45 you get clicky lull so might as well capitalize on that.

I went STA on my SK, and regretted it. It's useless, unless you're in a Cheal chain.

I went WIS in my Pally, it's pretty useless as pallies mostly heal with DW bp/heal. I'd rather have a higher chance of crit success then maybe getting off one more HoT at 59 with the extra WIS.

If you plan to be mostly casual, don't plan to do much dungeon soloing, then honestly STR is probably your best bet. It will take a long time for a casual high elf to max strength, even with thurg gear/yaulp 4.

TLDR: Starting stat points will never have an objective answer nor will really make any truly noticeable difference. Pick the one that caters to your playstyle.

My playstyle is that I don't start grouping until 51 onwards, as levels 13-51 are all about cash farming the most efficient spots for me so I can gear up along the way. That happens to be Nybright Sisters until 19, grinding Warrens for a Paineel key, then Paineel Guards until 49-51, resulting in about 500pp/level from 19 onwards.

But when I do start grouping, I want to be as flexible/useful to my group as possible, both in my designated role and in side-roles, if I'm asked to do something else.