Skyshrine: The Unscrewing

[Aeolwind]

Buellen = Hero atm! Man, I really appreciate this info!!

Maximum: Yelinak/Tormax/Dain faction was required for armor quests for well beyond the Velious expansion IIRC, passed the release of Luclin. Your posts are an indicator. There are screenshots that are instant proof.

Currently, in research, I've only discovered 5 mobs that give a positive Yelinak faction hit. There are nearly a dozen that give a positive Tormax faction hit (mostly Coldain). And an almost equal number that give positive Dain hits.

This means that my recollection of how freakin hard it was to get Yeli faction is intact.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maximum: Yelinak/Tormax/Dain faction was required for armor quests for well beyond the Velious expansion IIRC, passed the release of Luclin. Your posts are an indicator. There are screenshots that are instant proof.

Currently, in research, I've only discovered 5 mobs that give a positive Yelinak faction hit. There are nearly a dozen that give a positive Tormax faction hit (mostly Coldain). And an almost equal number that give positive Dain hits.

This means that my recollection of how freakin hard it was to get Yeli faction is intact.

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May 8, 2001 3:00 am
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** Quest Changes **

- We've made a change to the Velious armor quests. The folks in Kael
and in Skyshrine that give out rewards for these quests are now being
stricter about who they will reward quest items to. You will have to be
considered an 'ally' (see Features section below) by these NPCs in
order to be able to complete these quests. If you are doing quests for
the Coldain, however, they are somewhat less picky, and they only
require that they consider you 'kindly' to reward you for your labors.

...

- There is a new /consider message: "regards you as an ally". This is
the highest level of friendliness that an NPC will register using the
/consider command. The faction required to reach this rating is
significantly higher than 'warmly'.



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June 27, 2001 3:00 am
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** Quest Changes **

- King Tormax is now a little more particular about who he gives quests
to.


This thread also provides evidence that the Kael/Skyshrine quest armors come in an earlier less buff versions of themselves for the first 3.5 months of Velious, and then get buffed to the stats we currently know.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...ne+armor+quest
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...ne+armor+quest

March 13/14, 2013
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...+armor+faction

Thurg armor doesnt have a chain look.
Quest givers on Yelinak faction

You can charm the quest giving mobs in skyshrine, so Yelinak faction isn't absolutely a requirement.

March 26, 2001
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...+armor+faction

Rumor has it, that currently it is possible to have a non-kos enchanter charm the Kael and Skyshrine quest mobs (Green at 55) and walk them out to zone to complete quests, indifferent faction is all that is required.

It should also be noted that any with sneak skill, can complete the quests with only dubious faction (Since they can get back there, and get indifferent with sneak)

First rumor is unchecked, second is fact, and has been done a few times.

Khalim Richelieu
The Pantheon

March 21, 2001
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...+armor+faction

Quest NPC for the Kael cleric armor is Vylleam Vyaeltor (located in room directly behind Tormax). Faction required is indifferent to Tormax (Dwarf heads to Bvellos, or kill Seneschal, Royal Guards, Dain, Velketor, or Yelinek for this). The quest npcs are low 30s in level and can be charmed. Faction needed to get there is Kromzek and Tormax. Components needed for the Quest are: 3 gems (varies with the piece) and the corresponding piece of ancient tarnished plate. Ancient tarnished plate drops in Temple of Veeshan of CoV factioned mobs (there's some right at zone in).

April 23, 2001
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...+armor+faction

The quest givers in Skyshrine were recently changed from Yelniak to CoV faction, you only need to be indifferent to CoV to do the armor quests. Currently the only MOB in skyshrine that is Yelniak faction is Lord Yelniak himself.

[Aeolwind]

Kromzek - Claws of Veeshan
Kromrif - Coldain
Tormax - Yelinak & Dain
Dain - Tormax
Yelinak - Tormax
Derakor - Claws
Statue - Claws
Avatar - Claws

NOW, in researching I'm noticing a correlation between Dain and Yeli faction. Any mob that raised one, seems to raise the other. Any assistance helping prove/disprove that?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kromzek - Claws of Veeshan
Kromrif - Coldain
Tormax - Yelinak & Dain
Dain - Tormax
Yelinak - Tormax
Derakor - Claws
Statue - Claws
Avatar - Claws

NOW, in researching I'm noticing a correlation between Dain and Yeli faction. Any mob that raised one, seems to raise the other. Any assistance helping prove/disprove that?

Speaking of factions in a general sense:
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...+armor+faction

There are 3 factions overall

Giant
Dwarf
Dragon

The general relation is Dwarves and dragons hate giants.

There are 2 dwarf factions: Coldain and Dain.
+Coldain comes from killing most giants.
+Dain comes from giants on Tormax faction.
Killing any dwarf results in -Coldain and -Dain

There are 2 dragon factions: Claws of Veeshan and Lord Yelinak
+Claws comes from killing any giant.
+Yelinak comes from killing Tormax giants.
Killing any dragon results in -Claws and -Yelinak.

There are 4 giant factions: Kromrif, Kromzek, Storm and Tormax.
Kromrif comes from killing any dwarf not on Dain faction.
Kromzek comes from killing any dwarf not on Dain faction or any dragons not on Yelinak faction. (Kromzek is what the Kael quests are done on)
Tormax faction comes from any dwarf on Dain faction or any dragon on Yelinak faction.
I am uncertain what factions give +Storm
Killing any giant results in -Kromrif -Kromzek -Tormax

There are 3 factions specific to Tunare in Velious and 3 old world factions.
Tunarean Court (applies to mobs in the tower where the PoG tree is). Is linked to Claws faction somehow but not directly (ie killing a dragon won't make you KoS to them)
Servants of Tunare. Killing anything in PoG gives bad faction with them and there is no way to raise it back that I know of.
Protectors of Growth. Linked only to the PoGs in PoG. Can only go down too. No known way to raise.
The other 3 are
Faydarks Champions
Clerics of Tunare
I forget the last one but I know it is tied to Kelethin.

[Aeolwind]

So, faction group examples will be

Zek up
Claws down
yeli down

Rif up
Coldain down
Dain down

Zek down
Tormax down
Claws up

Rif down
Tormax down
Coldain up

Zek down
Rift down
Dain up
Yelinak up

Coldain down
Dain Down
Tormax up

Claws down
Yeli down
Tormax up

[pasi]

You basically had two ways to raise Dain and Yelinak faction. You could kill Tormax NPCs or you could Quest Claws of Veeshan/Coldain (very different from killing Kromrif/Kromzek to raise faction).

Tormax had 5 ways to raise faction. You could quest Kromzek (storm), you could quest Tormax, you could kill Dain Faction (Dain, Chamberlain, Seneschal, Grand Huntsman/Scribe, or Royal Guards). You could also kill Yelinak or Velketor the Sorceror.

Killing in NToV tanks your Claws of Veeshan and Guardians of Veeshan Faction, but doesn't impact Yelinak.

Basically in summation:

3 Giant Factions

Kill Kromrif (Frost)
+Coldain (major)
+Claws of Veeshan (minor)
-Kromrif (major)
-Kromzek (minor)

Kill Kromzek (storm)
+Claws of Veeshan (major)
-Kromzek (major)
-King Tormax (minor)
-Kromrif (minor)

Kill Tormax (Tormax, Dlammaz, Tormax Guards, Dlammaz PH, Fjorkar, Keldor)
+Yelinak (major)
+Dain (major)
-King Tormax (major)
-Kromzek (minor)

2 Dwarf Factions

Kill Coldain
+Kromrif (major)
+Kromzek(minor)
-Coldain (major)
-Dain (minor)

Kill Dain (Dain, Chamberlain, Seneschal, Grand Huntsman/Scribe, or Royal Guards)
+King Tormax (major)
-Dain Frostreaver (major)
-Coldain (minor)

3 Dragon Factions
Kill Claws of Veeshan
+Kromzek (major)
-Claws of Veeshan (major)
-Yelinak (minor)

Kill Yelinak (only Yelinak)
+King Tormax
-Yelinak (major)
-Claws of Veeshan (minor)

Kill Guardians of Veeshan (NToV)
-Guardians of Veeshan (doesn't matter, everyone is KoS)
-Claws of Veeshan (not sure if minor/major)

Questing
Quest Coldain
+Coldain (major)
+Dain (moderate)
-Kromrif (major)
-Kromzek (moderate)

Quest Dain (literally one quest that no one will ever do... ever)
+Dain (major)
+Coldain (moderate)
-King Tormax (major)

Quest Claws of Veeshan
+Claws of Veeshan (major)
+Yelinak (moderate)
-Kromzek (major)

Quest Yelinak (literally one quest)
+Yelinak (major)
+Claws of Veeshan (moderate)
-King Tormax (major)

Quest Kromrif
+Kromrif (major)
+Kromzek (moderate)
-Coldain (major)
-Claws of Veeshan (moderate)

Quest Kromzek
+Kromzek (major)
+King Tormax (moderate)
+Kromrif (moderate)
-Claws of Veeshan (major)

Quest Tormax (Dlammaz, Fjorkar, and Tormax Ques)
+King Tormax (major)
+Kromzek (moderate)
-Dain (major)
-Yelinak (major)

Then the odds and ends
Kill Velketor the Sorcerer: +King Tormax (major)
Some of the Wakening Land quests (Tunaraen Court) will raise/lower Kromzek, Claws, and Yelinak.

[Aeolwind]

Not going to bite on all the EQCleric posts as gospel. Patch notes yes. But EQClerics had some doozeys.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not going to bite on all the EQCleric posts as gospel. Patch notes yes. But EQClerics had some doozeys.

What issue do you have with the EQClerics' comments specifically?



December 20, 2001 Everlore Kael Armor Guide
http://web.archive.org/web/200108230...e=35&id=314338

All these NPCs are found behind King Tormax's throne room in Kael Drakkal. You must have sufficient KingTormax faction to speak with them.

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What issue do you have with the EQClerics' comments specifically?



December 20, 2001 Everlore Kael Armor Guide
http://web.archive.org/web/200108230...e=35&id=314338

The charm part. We tried it. Repeatedly, died a few times. Even using dictate they wouldn't bite.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The charm part. We tried it. Repeatedly, died a few times. Even using dictate they wouldn't bite.

Where specifically did you try the charm part?

EQ Mac's version of the Kael Quest mobs is going to be the later version of superbuffed version of the armor quest givers.