I am not against GMO's.

[Reapin]

Originally Posted by smokemon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The United States wastes more than enough food each year to stop world hunger, the problem isn't about there being enough food, it's about distribution and control of the food. The problem isn't with "Genetic Modification" as a science.

However what they are doing is just randomly jamming in the modified DNA where ever the fuck they want basically rolling the dice and seeing the results on us, human guinea pigs. Could they do amazing things with genetic modification,if pointed in the other direction, of course. Will they do that though? It's highly un-likely.

I mean look at cars for example, we can easily run a fuckin' car powered off hydrogen extracted from water at an extremely low cost. Will they do that? OF COURSE NOT, it doesn't translate into massive piles of plati....errr dollars. The same thing could be said about energy in general, the research and science is there, but what do those at the top do?? They keep us fuckin' strapped to petroleum/coal/nuclear so they can reap trillions of dollars in profit. OR look at what was done with Tesla, he wanted to give free wireless energy to everyone, what happened, he was bankrupted and his research facility burnt and his work stolen so those who had a play in the energy field could supress that knowledge and reap billions off it. The same thing is being done with genetic modification to our food. They are using it to make trillions / control the food supply / keep us down and sick / They are not using it for the good of mankind, like most technological advances as of late. Instead they give us Ipad95. ALL HAIL IPAD95.

It's the monolithic ruthless"Elite" who has the control of where this technology/academics of the technology goes and has for a long time. It does not look good in the least if we continue on this path letting them control the channels of technology and science, healthcare etc.... History keeps repeating itself, time and time again these "Elite" suppress the amazing potential of these technologies and have for YEARS AND YEARS. Again, if placed in the right hands or pushed down the right path all of these things Energy/DNA manipulation/AI/ etc all could propel humanity beyond anyone's wildest imagination.

Overpopulation is the problem. The good news is nature always finds a way to balance out.

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[smokemon]

Originally Posted by Reapin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Overpopulation is the problem. The good news is nature always finds a way to balance out.

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New virus called a global threat

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/28/health...html?hpt=hp_t1

The world needs to pull together its resources to properly tackle the virus, said the World Health Organization chief. The SARS-like virus has killed 23 people. "We understand too little about this virus," she said.

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She is wrong. The best thing we can do is spread this shit around.

False. People with your distorted perception of humanity are the problem. I have an awesome idea for you though, check it. You can take your own advice and thinking and apply it inwardly. That would help solve a lot of the worlds problems. THANK YOU COME AGAIN. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hitchens]

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[stonez138]

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[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Biologists have given us a great gift by unlocking the power of DNA. YES we must be careful as fuck with that power, but IMHO, we should also use it if it is needed. Genetically modified organisms have every bit of potential people say they have, and so much more that they don't even talk about.

You think there is a coincidence that most of the world's food is produced in the USA and Canada? Are GMO's any more revolutionary than, say, crop rotation was when it was introduced?

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think there is a coincidence that most of the world's food is produced in the USA and Canada? Are GMO's any more revolutionary than, say, crop rotation was when it was introduced?

How can you even compare the two? I'm lost. Crop rotation was a technology invented to produce more and better crops every year. GMO is the injection/restructuring and splicing of a food source in the attempt to bolster it or make it more resistant to pests. GMO technology has been proven in many studies to be unhealthy on many levels (humans,land,livestock, and so on)

[Korisek]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How can you even compare the two? I'm lost. Crop rotation was a technology invented to produce more and better crops every year. GMO is the injection/restructuring and splicing of a food source in the attempt to bolster it or make it more resistant to pests. GMO technology has been proven in many studies to be unhealthy on many levels (humans,land,livestock, and so on)

Crop Rotation was a procedure designed to keep the crops that a community was growing from removing all of the required nutrients from the soil they were being grown on. It came about to promote longevity of tilling fields. The effect on the produce itself was healthier crops, but not more.

Genetic Modification has thus far made for healthier, hardier, and/or more productive crops.

I agree that comparing the two is silly. Neither replaces the other, they are complementary with each other. Comparing crop rotation to hydroponics would be more fitting, as both involve the soil (or lack thereof) rather than the crop itself.

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Korisek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Crop Rotation was a procedure designed to keep the crops that a community was growing from removing all of the required nutrients from the soil they were being grown on. It came about to promote longevity of tilling fields. The effect on the produce itself was healthier crops, but not more.

Genetic Modification has thus far made for healthier, hardier, and/or more productive crops.

I agree that comparing the two is silly. Neither replaces the other, they are complementary with each other. Comparing crop rotation to hydroponics would be more fitting, as both involve the soil (or lack thereof) rather than the crop itself.

So you will take healthier ( which it isn't if it isn't natural in my opinion and filled with pestisides) crops over naturally grown crops without all of the modifications? One thing we have learned from science is, its only as modern as its day and age. There are a ton of things we probably will not know scientifically for years about gmo grown crops.

I think I would rather stick to non gmo crops. I fully understand that yeah, they still get the topical pestisides, but most of that is able to be washed off on certain fruits and vegetables. You can't wash off a crop that is engineered to make its own pesticides to combat insects etc.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Korisek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The effect on the produce itself was healthier crops, but not more.

Healthier than what?

I think you meant to say "healthy," implying that they are as healthy as normal crops, but this would not produce crops that were "healthier" than normal crops grown on non-depleted soil.

Crop rotation was invented to fix the devastation caused to soil ecosystems by monoculture.

At present, there is massive research into how to keep monoculture viable. This, in fact, drives a lot of GMO R&D, and certainly much of modern horticultural science.

They say you should let your children play in the dirt to pick up immunities. The outcome you're trying to avoid by this truism is a bubble boy - someone who has never been exposed to the microlife all around us, and who will probably now have a bad reaction if exposed to the world. Well, Monsanto et al have been making bubble corn for the longest fucking time. Sterilized fields, antibiotics, chemicals to prevent infection.. all in an effort to protect these now extremely delicate organisms from dying by way of the normal world. Now they are trying to introduce traits from other organisms to make these sick plants live, because all the chemicals in the world aren't working. Farmers have inadvertantly developed monocultures of superbugs that you can't just kill anymore by killing off the variety of life (the superbugs competition).

Stripping the ground of nutrients is only the tip of the iceberg of the idiocy of modern farming.

There ARE good reasons to be strongly against Monsanto, "GMOs R EVIL" is not one of them.

Very little if any of the GMO research is being done to make food better than normal, it's mostly being done to make food plants survive the hellish world they've created for them.

[Korisek]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Healthier than what?

I think you meant to say "healthy," implying that they are as healthy as normal crops, but this would not produce crops that were "healthier" than normal crops grown on non-depleted soil.

Crop rotation was invented to fix the devastation caused to soil ecosystems by monoculture.

That's pretty much exactly what I was saying in the post you quoted. Complete with me saying that crops grown with crop rotation were healthier than crops grown on depleted soil.

So, pardon my French, but c'est quoi ce bordel? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]