Is Faith In God Reasonable? Faith is Foolish Debate

[Hasbinbad]

I also don't believe any "God claims." That is not the basis by which I claim agnosticism springs. The question of agnosticism is not "which of mankinds claims about deities" is correct: the question is that of ultimate cause, prime mover, whatever you want to call it; the question is "given what we can - ever - know, what caused that?" The idea is that this is a valid question, but we, either now or at some point in the very near future, will reach an event horizon beyond which our ability to "know" a thing no longer functions, and THEREFORE it's stupid. Shut up about it. Both of you. All of you.

In my opinion, many people who listen to modern atheists like Dawkins and Hitchens rightly are swayed against religion, but I do think that they trespass in hubris when they intimate - as they sometimes have (though they are careful about it, and Dawkins, at least, has hedged into de facto agnosticism on several occasions), that the existence of a deity is impossible or even highly improbable. The fact is that there is absolutely no data available for such a non-question, shut up. This is what scientists will actually say. Try it: go outside a lab and find a scientist (in a lab coat, stupid) on their way back from lunch, and ask them to comment on whether or not god exists: they will look at you and laugh at you and go back to work testing shit on animals and/or (increasingly) lab-grown human cells.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but I do think that modern atheists trespass in hubris

edited for clarity.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by JanitorGotGriefedOffBox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The assumption that all scientists are atheists.

lawl

from the horses mouth, so to speak:
National Academy of Science is Godless to the Core


http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...cademy-godless

[Hasbinbad]

From the study:
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html

<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="2"><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="#d0d0d0">Belief in personal God</td> <td align="Center" bgcolor="#F0f0f0">1914</td> <td align="Center" bgcolor="#F0f0f0">1933</td> <td align="Center" bgcolor="#F0f0f0">1998</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#Fcfcfc">Personal belief</td> <td> 27.7</td> <td> 15</td> <td> 7.0</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#Fcfcfc">Personal disbelief</td> <td> 52.7</td> <td> 68</td> <td> 72.2</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#Fcfcfc">Doubt or agnosticism</td> <td> 20.9</td> <td> 17</td> <td> 20.8</td></tr> <tr><td>
</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#d0d0d0">Belief in human immortality </td> <td align="Center" bgcolor="#F0f0f0">1914</td> <td align="Center" bgcolor="#F0f0f0">1933</td> <td align="Center" bgcolor="#F0f0f0">1998</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#Fcfcfc">Personal belief</td> <td> 35.2</td> <td> 18</td> <td> 7.9</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#Fcfcfc">Personal disbelief</td> <td> 25.4</td> <td> 53</td> <td> 76.7</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#Fcfcfc">Doubt or agnosticism</td> <td> 43.7</td> <td> 29</td> <td> 23.3</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From the study:
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html

<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="2"><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="#d0d0d0">Belief in personal God</td> <td align="Center" bgcolor="#F0f0f0">1914</td> <td align="Center" bgcolor="#F0f0f0">1933</td> <td align="Center" bgcolor="#F0f0f0">1998</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#Fcfcfc">Personal belief</td> <td> 27.7</td> <td> 15</td> <td> 7.0</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#Fcfcfc">Personal disbelief</td> <td> 52.7</td> <td> 68</td> <td> 72.2</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#Fcfcfc">Doubt or agnosticism</td> <td> 20.9</td> <td> 17</td> <td> 20.8</td></tr> <tr><td>
</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#d0d0d0">Belief in human immortality </td> <td align="Center" bgcolor="#F0f0f0">1914</td> <td align="Center" bgcolor="#F0f0f0">1933</td> <td align="Center" bgcolor="#F0f0f0">1998</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#Fcfcfc">Personal belief</td> <td> 35.2</td> <td> 18</td> <td> 7.9</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#Fcfcfc">Personal disbelief</td> <td> 25.4</td> <td> 53</td> <td> 76.7</td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#Fcfcfc">Doubt or agnosticism</td> <td> 43.7</td> <td> 29</td> <td> 23.3</td></tr></tbody></table>

Those scientists better check their hypotenuses.

[Daldolma]

studies show that 75% of scientists will burn in hellfire

[Alawen]

Luckily, I'm an artist, not a scientist.

God does not exist. Neither do any other gods. When you die, your life is over, and your consciousness ceases to exist. I know these things as well as I know that I will wake up tomorrow and the sun will rise.

I am an atheist.

[Alawen]

Solipsism is a philosophical dead end.

On the other hand, I hope you don't wake up tomorrow. Your bitch and your brat would be better off without a lying hypocrite with no self control as an example. Medic.

[Alawen]

Bigotry is so impressive, tough guy. Those of us with honorable discharges don't think much of fucking posers. If you tried peddling your bullshit in a room full of real vets, you'd probably get your head kicked in.

Again.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Luckily, I'm an artist, not a scientist.

God does not exist. Neither do any other gods. When you die, your life is over, and your consciousness ceases to exist. I know these things as well as I know that I will wake up tomorrow and the sun will rise.

I am an atheist.

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Solipsism is a philosophical dead end.

On the other hand, I hope you don't wake up tomorrow. Your bitch and your brat would be better off without a lying hypocrite with no self control as an example. Medic.

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bigotry is so impressive, tough guy. Those of us with honorable discharges don't think much of fucking posers. If you tried peddling your bullshit in a room full of real vets, you'd probably get your head kicked in.

Again.

These three posts show up in a row to me .. deletions?