Petition to make tobacco products schedule 1 drugs

[Robdukes]

All drugs should be legal and the state should provide REAL unbiased information on effects and harm that can be caused. Since they did this with cigs and everyone found out about cigarettes causing lung cancer the amount of smokers dropped dramatically. The amount of drug users has risen. Which policy works? Kicking in doors and sending people to jail or letting properly informed people make up their own minds.

[Hollywood]

I would think the hypocrisy is more in line with the legalization of alcohol, rather than nicotine.
However since alcohol is already a substance out of control, why add another with marijuana?


The real disgrace here is trying to demonize nicotine in hopes of glorifying marijuana. Nicotine is a controlled substance, in every way.

Leave it alone.

[Hollywood]

Originally Posted by Robdukes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All drugs should be legal and the state should provide REAL unbiased information on effects and harm that can be caused. Since they did this with cigs and everyone found out about cigarettes causing lung cancer the amount of smokers dropped dramatically. The amount of drug users has risen. Which policy works? Kicking in doors and sending people to jail or letting properly informed people make up their own minds.

Except you've got two categories of marijuana uses :

1. Medical
2. Recreational


Medical should be containable and controlled - without prescription you get nothing.
Recreational is not controllable, other than tax. It's certainly not containable.

The former is something that may work and to some degree has worked - however there's other substances we can use beyond marijuana that will do the same job and not require smoking (wtf, whoever thought that was a good idea? It's not a treatment for an illness it's simply a pain reliever).

The latter is a scenario where practically anyone can get their hands on it, abuse it and affect society around them.

Does pot make you homicidal, nope. Does it make you commit vehicular homicide, yes.
Does drinking yes. Does nictone, no.

People SHOULD be able to police themselves, but in our world today, they don't.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by renordw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My friend created this petition, I thought it was really interesting. His idea was to highlight the hypocrisy of the marijuana debate; why are cigarettes not even subject to the laws of the Controlled Substances Act?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...drugs/TWT0q4y2

so to highlight the hypocrisy of the cannabis debate, you want another substance added to the schedule 1 list that doesnt belong there. thats pretty retarded. maybe just do a petition that actually spreads facts about cannabis. "The Emperor Wears no Clothes" by Jack Herer, is a good place to start

[Hawala]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so to highlight the hypocrisy of the cannabis debate, you want another substance added to the schedule 1 list that doesnt belong there. thats pretty retarded. maybe just do a petition that actually spreads facts about cannabis. "The Emperor Wears no Clothes" by Jack Herer, is a good place to start

Hi Sirken, I'm disappointed to hear you calling the players retarded.

Do you have any idea how many petitions there have been about cannabis? And the White House has offered one response, and it has said that it refuses to offer another.

I think the petition is a wonderful idea. Once OP gets 10,000 signatures the White House has to offer a response, and what kind of hypocrisy-laden response could they possibly give that would justify tobacco still being legal?

Do you think the White House is going to say, "Well they have a point, Schedule 1 it is!"? No, they aren't going to kill a multi-billion dollar industry just because some law that has managed to not apply to tobacco since its inception.

[Stinkum]

Originally Posted by Hawala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hi Sirken, I'm disappointed to hear you calling the players retarded.

Do you have any idea how many petitions there have been about cannabis? And the White House has offered one response, and it has said that it refuses to offer another.

I think the petition is a wonderful idea. Once OP gets 10,000 signatures the White House has to offer a response, and what kind of hypocrisy-laden response could they possibly give that would justify tobacco still being legal?

Do you think the White House is going to say? "Well they have a point, Schedule 1 it is!"? No, they aren't going to kill a multi-billion dollar industry just because some law that has managed to not apply to tobacco since its inception.

Lol, there's a difference between calling an idea retarded and a person.

Petition is an awful idea for reasons already stated.

[Hawala]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, there's a difference between calling an idea retarded and a person.

Petition is an awful idea for reasons already stated.

I don't think GMs should go around saying players' ideas are retarded. Just goes to show the degradation of the camaraderie.

There's a difference between Off Topic and Rants and Flames, and if even the GMs can't tell the difference, why are there two forums at all?

[KessonDaslef]

Originally Posted by Hawala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think GMs should go around saying players' ideas are retarded. Just goes to show the degradation of the camaraderie.

There's a difference between Off Topic and Rants and Flames, and if even the GMs can't tell the difference, why are there two forums at all?

I agree. Obviously, project 1999 isn't any better than the real world, is it?

[Stinkum]

I don't see anyone twisting your elbow forcing you to play and post here.

Please feel free to find a community on the internet where your fragile vaginas will not be sanded by calling your retarded ideas "retarded."

[joppykid]

Originally Posted by Hawala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think GMs should go around saying players' ideas are retarded. Just goes to show the degradation of the camaraderie.

There's a difference between Off Topic and Rants and Flames, and if even the GMs can't tell the difference, why are there two forums at all?

It's off topic. Therefore nothing to do with the game. I think it's great that a GM will voice his opinion rather than sheltering it.

So because he disagrees with someone's opinion or idea he shouldn't be able to post in the off topic forum? If you're truly offended by Sirken saying an idea is "retarded" you are definitely not on the right server.