not a single player has told me to plan on raiding

[Jarnauga]

lol @ TMO that want things to stay the same because "it's classic" when variance is not.

My server on live (Karana) had a player enforced rotation. Don't ever tell me that p99 is classic the way it is.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, the variance is the effect of the congestion, not the cause. Rogean and co got tired of having 200 people on every bosses spawnpoint.

I don't like variance because although it does solve the congestion problem it does so by making the endgame so annoying that most people can't/choose not to participate. I was chatting with Flemming yesterday on my mage and asked how much tracking he did. He said 10 hours and I thought that was a lot, but apparently a lot of people do 40+ hours (!).

The variance started in the spring of 2010 when it was decided that adding variance would mean people wouldn't poopsock. It was thought that nobody would be stupid enough to stoop to such a low level to sit there logged/afk for +/- 48. Well, three years later and the variance has done absolutely nothing about the problem in the first place. For three years it hasn't worked

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Just to add, it was also pushed, and later defended by some people who later ended up getting caught SEQ/MQing. They didn't exactly mind the "tracking."

[Sarius]

Things will not change much at all with Velious. The top guilds will add more alts to their army and each player will have 15+ lvl 60 decked out characters to camp at every single raid spawn. Don't worry, after a couple of years the "casual" player should be able to get a HoT raid going to get their SS armor

[Tekman]

HOV

[Ghordo]

Wipe it clean.

[webrunner5]

I know we are all waiting for Velious. But it will be the same old thing. Only a top few people will get to get into the top spots to raid or even group. How many people you think will be perma camped at Kael entrance, ToFS?? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I hate to burst your bubble but there is not that many places to solo or go as a level 60 other than raids. The mobs in Velious hit hard as hell and have a ton of resists. You are better off being like level 35 playing in most zones. But I AM looking forward to it.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know we are all waiting for Velious. But it will be the same old thing. Only a top few people will get to get into the top spots to raid or even group. How many people you think will be perma camped at Kael entrance, ToFS?? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I hate to burst your bubble but there is not that many places to solo or go as a level 60 other than raids. The mobs in Velious hit hard as hell and have a ton of resists. You are better off being like level 35 playing in most zones. But I AM looking forward to it.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sadly, /thread

[Faerie Blossom]

I know I'm speaking to the wrong crowd here, but do you think opening up one-way transfers to red would do anything to alleviate the problem?

[skipdog]

So much whining and crying in this thread.

This is fucking everquest. Why would you expect anything other than one uber guild to crush 90% of the content? While it's nice that some of you were on happy care bear servers with rotations on live, most of us weren't and the rules have been clear here for a very long time. There is nothing stopping another guild from stepping up and competing with TMO, we saw what FE could do(for a couple weeks), but the fact is no other guild has had the leadership or been able to put in the work that TMO has.

Hearing people berate TMO for 'being the best guild on the server' has to be one of the most pathetic things I hear on a regular basis. The couple weeks I spent in BDA, was a very eye-opening experience. Never before have I seen one guild hate another with such pure passion. Never before have I seen adult men with families, lie through their teeth rather than admit that TMO simply beat them. Never before have I seen an entire guild simply pretend that Chest wasn't the cause of many trains and blame them on TMO.

In this thread, we simply have a bunch of people who have been fully aware of the crazy effort and organization it takes to lock down all of these raid mobs for years who just want to bash the only guild willing to put in that effort. So pathetic.

[Splorf22]

Bizyphap: variance is not classic. What do you say to that?