Adding the Planes of Power in to the original trilogy

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by frefaln [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree, and I don't understand why the original Devs never stopped themselves and thought, "Hmm, if we do this [PoK] we pretty much destroy the usefulness, charm, and novelty of the racial cities we created."

I think it's because at that point they aren't the same people that created the original content. Also they had to start cashing in on more accounts because they knew other games would be on the horizon that would cater to the casual gamer by default.

That's a sad reality. It doesn't really mater what a designer comes up with because the ideas still have to get okay-ed by the company that's financially backing the project. They are going to look for things like how commercially viable is this product. If the answer is that "the poopsockers will love how hardcore it is" then it probably wont make it to production.

Look at Nintendo. They purposely target their product at every market you can imagine. How many stay at home moms are playing video game on the Wii that never touched a gaming console before?

I don't like it one bit myself. But I do realize that no matter how many of us Everquest purists there are, we are still a minority in the gaming community.

This is why games like WoW were able to steal so many EQ players.
And this is why you have people playing that modern incarnation of EQ on live today.

Money helps to create.
Money helps to destroy.

[frefaln]

^ Honestly man, what is your issue? I think this thread has been a lot of fun and I'm pretty sure nobody's sliding this across the table to a P99 Dev and saying "make it happen!"

We're not asking for anything, and it's not meant to be "taken seriously". Are you sure you know what hypothetical means?

[guineapig]

My guess is he doesn't. Everyone was having fun with the thread till some person comes along and says:

"HUR HUR, HYPOTHETICAL CONVERSATIONS ARE STUPID RAWR!!!"

Originally Posted by fuji [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So again, spread anymore post velious ideas and you can GTFO.

Did you happen to notice that even Aeolwind was playing along?

The only thing I would do differently about this topic is move it to off topic.
The thread has nothing to do with Project1999 fuji. I don't want to change the server in any way. Reread the original post maybe.

[SunDrake]

Interesting thread.

If you used the idea of placing the zones in old world locations [or access via portal] then the PoK/PoT issue is null. Like it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, for those who are saying it would be difficult to work your way through PoP without Luclin.. maybe thats a good thing for your last expansion ever? Make it damn hard. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [Not that it would be an issue anyway, they could tune encounters and items however they saw fit.]

[Humerox]

If this server went custom after Velious I would literally cream my jeans.

Personally...that's what I think it should do.

Destiny.

[guineapig]

I just found this post and figured it had some relevance to this thread. It had to do with zones that were never implemented or implemented much later on that were on the the classic-Kunark maps:

When I bought the Ruins of Kunark expansion back in the day, it came with a cloth map of Norrath. Looking at it, there's a ton of zones that they never made (some of which I believe are in some of the newer expansions, like the Gulf of Gunthak on Antonica and the Loping Plains on Faydwer). I'd probably stick with these, using the same graphics engine as Vanilla-Velious. Of course, some of these zones came out with other expansions, but following the previous sentence, here they are:

Faydwer:
Loping Plains
Wayunder Lake
Dragonscale Hills
Ranthok's Ridge
Elverain (sp? I'm looking at a smaller image from google) Lake
Hills of Shade (?)

Antonica:
The Northlands & The Hatchlands
The Nest
The Frigid Plains (which could possibly be the big open area of Everfrost Peaks, and the Newbie area from Halas to Blackburrow could be the western portion of the mountain range)
Winter's Deep (added to Misty Thicket)
Lake Neriuss
Jaggedpine Forest
Unkempt Woods (in the Jaggedpine that went live, there was a blocked tunnel across the river... possibly a route to the Unkempt Woods?)
Lifite (?) River**
Gulf of Gunthak
Broken Skull Rock (Gunthak Subzone, or Part of Gunthak)
Greenblood River, Dead Hills & The Den
Rujarkian Hills & The Serpents Spine* (I really would have liked to have seen this pre-LDoN. It seems to take up a pretty big area of southeast Antonica, and I think it would have been a nice place to level in the 30's, much like a Pre-Kunark version of The Overthere

Odus:
The Barren Coast & The Gulf of Urun
The W____ Deep (I can't read what the 2nd word is on this picture)

Kunark:
Lake of Dismay
Dragon's Drool

As you can see, there are a ton of zones that company had to work with before creating zones on the moon. Again, I would keep the same graphics engine. One thing I did like about WoW was that it was basically the same thing all over, as opposed to Live where it's the Original graphics engines, slightly updated for RoK and SoV, then a new one for Luclin, and getting gradually better as the expansions progressed, leaving gigantic difference between zones (i.e. revamped High Pass and East Karana). There's a ton of lore that can be found for each of these zones, I'm sure. If not, it wouldn't be that hard to come up with some.

*I'm aware that the Serpent's Spine runs along the Karanas, but it also shoots directly south next to the Rujarkian Hills, so I think the same thing could be done for it as the Karanas
**Much like the Serpent's Spine/Karanas situation, I would have liked to have seen this river implemented in the Oasis of Marr. The river branches off from the Serpent's Spine, and runs into the actual Oasis itself. I'd really only implement it for continuity purposes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyway. That's where I'd at least start with new content, which could easily last you to 65, if done correctly. That was fun, but there's my 2cp. Well... maybe 2pp

Some of these places might also be good logical staging grounds for some of the Planes of Power if one were to get real creative.

[Intricus]

Ok, I'm going to say this in the MOST HUMBLE way possible....

One can only imagine the only reason so many citizens of the Project 1999 community are actually in favor of this whole PoP thing, is beacuse the person suggesting it has a recognizable name, and has 2000+ posts.
And mage-only port? Really? REALLY? I really didn't think mages were already powerful enough, or had enough utility, or enough reasons for people to play one already.

P.S--You know, I have to just let the cat outta the bag...open Pandora's box. This is a CLASSIC server. If you want PoP, or custom PoP or any other expansions after Velious, Join the Dev team, and make a new server, if there isn't one like this already.
This is such an UTTERLY RIDICULOUS thread, and the irony of it all is if some nobody-casual player like myself, who has a job, who's name nobody recognizes, were to make a suggestion like this, everyone would have opinion and response I do, or worse. Thanks, come again.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Intricus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, I'm going to say this in the MOST HUMBLE way possible....

One can only imagine the only reason so many citizens of the Project 1999 community are actually in favor of this whole PoP thing, is beacuse the person suggesting it has a recognizable name, and has 2000+ posts.
And mage-only port? Really? REALLY? I really didn't think mages were already powerful enough, or had enough utility, or enough reasons for people to play one already.

P.S--You know, I have to just let the cat outta the bag...open Pandora's box. This is a CLASSIC server. If you want PoP, or custom PoP or any other expansions after Velious, Join the Dev team, and make a new server, if there isn't one like this already.
This is such an UTTERLY RIDICULOUS thread, and the irony of it all is if some nobody-casual player like myself, who has a job, who's name nobody recognizes, were to make a suggestion like this, everyone would have opinion and response I do, or worse. Thanks, come again.

Do us a favor:
Read the first post then facepalm yourself please.

This thread is and has always been for fun... not unlike the bacon thread and the make up your own class thread. Lighten up. How is it that Aeolwind, a developer here on p99 can find enjoyment in a hypothetical thread like this yet you can't?

By the way... the mage only port idea came from Aeolwind, not me.

Think before you post.

[Humerox]

Great thread...I kinda view it as what could have happened had the game gone in the direction it should have, had it remained true to the spirit of the original design.

Plenty to think about...especially once P99 runs its course.

[alexandervaccaro]

i thought PoP was an awesome expansion, had a classic-y feel (less PoK). if they can figure out a way to implement that without ruining our EQ, i'm all for it. I have no idea who guineapig is, nor did i realize he had 2000+ posts until you mentioned it. hmmmmm