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Yes, it promotes "competition" 75 29.18%
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Old 10-19-2012, 03:43 PM
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Here's to the future of GM-enforced rotations, bans on account sales, more spyware, more rules, more non-classic coding/gameplay changes to appease the poor players who are stomped over by the big bad TMO? Am I right Rog?

Oh, and also, am I not allowed to have a valid opinion because I'm in TMO? No one's completely objective in this world.
Emphasis mine.

Except the initial proposed raid changes are to bring the raid scene closer to classic. Variance creates a massively different raiding scene than that experienced on Live.

Not that I have a solution, or that your hyperbolic solutions are the only/best ones, but character preservation is an issue on this server. Not many people on Live kept 4+ accounts active at $14 a piece. I've stated my case about how its not classic and detrimental to server health and prosperity, please provide evidence to the contrary for me to consider instead of hyperbolic "sky is falling" whining.

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After the variance is cut in half and given how long Kunark has been out, throw them a freaking bone every now and then.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:16 PM
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To Orruar: There has always been guild vs. guild competition over spawns, you cooperate within your guild and compete with others. Sorry you've overlooked that glaring fact.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:34 PM
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Giegue,

I was merely expressing my opinion that some of the people posting possible changes on here are completely missing the point and proposing changes that would, I think, seriously harm the server and reduce its population. Rogean has had an open ear to these ideas (the idea of limiting players to one account, Rogean said that he agreed that camping out multiple characters at raid spots was something he disliked).

What you didn't notice was that I supported the FTE shout and repops, the moderate changes that were proposed. My posts were just my opinion on things and a check on a lot of these players who are slowly making this server into a place that I feel is less and less enjoyable to play.

Also, all of the time wasted on this is taking time away from CONTENT RELEASE which should be #1 priority because that will fix 99% of these problems. Not grasping at straws to appease a few extremely butthurt individuals.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:36 PM
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Also, all of the time wasted on this is taking time away from CONTENT RELEASE
How exactly does a programmer's time spent result in a delay in content?

Code != Content.

You should give it up.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:38 PM
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It's not sufficient to him if he doesn't get ALL the pixels. God forbid other guilds might get something.
I've actually been a vocal supporter that TMO abstains from raiding Naggy, Vox and some non-epic related Kunark dragons for months. I've supported the "Endangered species" thing. I just don't want to see competition get trampled on. I'm not here to start shit, just to express and protect my interests as a long time player here. All I see from your post is a general "assumption" that because I'm in TMO I am a whoring lying douche. Fact is, you never met me and you have no idea where my opinion lies, so don't assume. Thanks.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:41 PM
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you never met me and you have no idea where my opinion lies, so don't assume.
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because I'm in TMO I am a whoring lying douche.
Hypocritical much? That's the most contradicting paragraph I've seen.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:47 PM
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I've actually been a vocal supporter that TMO abstains from raiding Naggy, Vox and some non-epic related Kunark dragons for months. I've supported the "Endangered species" thing. I just don't want to see competition get trampled on. I'm not here to start shit, just to express and protect my interests as a long time player here. All I see from your post is a general "assumption" that because I'm in TMO I am a whoring lying douche. Fact is, you never met me and you have no idea where my opinion lies, so don't assume. Thanks.
I give anyone the benefit of the doubt, I don't care what guild you're in. Your perceived attitude towards the rest of the server and inability to "see what the problem is" has destroyed, in my eyes, that benefit.

To the public, someone like me who has no guild affiliation, you have come across as a selfish, loot whoring, elitist in this thread and the last. Maybe you should go back and re-read your own posts before you start talking about how others have 'assumed'.

You talk about how you have the server's best interests at heart, but that talk seems awfully hollow. All I see is your own best interests at heart.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:46 PM
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Don't see it. But good luck with the raid changes, I wasn't looking to start an argument here again, I was just giving my opinion. Thanks for the server.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:49 PM
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There's a difference between TMO giving those mobs away or choosing not to compete on them and the GMs enforcing things that give an advantage to one guild or another.
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There's a difference between TMO giving those mobs away or choosing not to compete on them and the GMs enforcing things that give an advantage to one guild or another.
Yes, to your original point - I think a lot of the stuff being suggested in the late pages of this are well over the top. The original changes, Rogeans post, are solid changes that are not only classic, but will improve raiding throughout the server.
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