Nocturne

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually not true. Male ligers cannot reproduce and most females can't either, and also hybrid animals are an extreme rarity in nature. Why is this? This is the exact opposite of what you'd expect if evolution were in fact true.

Evidence please. Someone provided you with evidence and you are refuting it, but based on what?

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok so they've found so many types right? Ok so then explaining what animals lead up to an elephant should be easy. There are so many animals like an elephant, right? Oh wait there isn't. There isn't a single animal that exists that is even remotely close to an elephant. Where are all of the inbetween stages?

There are actually, around 60 different named species that would fit into that category. The fossil record is quite clear, you are simply blind.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about monkeys turning into humans. If we evolved from monkeys, why do monkeys still exist?

We didn't evolve from monkeys we share a common ancestor with them...
You have proven that you lack any bit of relevant knowledge on the subject.

Also thank you for picking and choosing what to respond to. I'll take the lack of response to the rest of my points as you conceding them. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm blind? Lol? What animal alive today is anything like an elephant. You're telling me that all of the supposed transitional forms just "didn't make it"? What did an elephant start out as? At one point nothing was alive so how did we go from literally nothing, to an elephant? Where is the bagillion fossils that show the transition of a once non-existent creature to the creature we see today.

shit's so easy, even a monkey could google it

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=closest+living+elephant+relative

you probably overlooked it because the answer is so tiny

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm blind? Lol? What animal alive today is anything like an elephant. You're telling me that all of the supposed transitional forms just "didn't make it"? What did an elephant start out as? At one point nothing was alive so how did we go from literally nothing, to an elephant? Where is the bagillion fossils that show the transition of a once non-existent creature to the creature we see today.

Can you please rephrase the question? I don't understand what you are trying to ask due to the nature of your sentence structure, I'm not trolling you here, the above paragraph is gibberish.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok so who or what is this common ancestor? Who's the common ancestor of the common ancestor? At one point there was nothing alive on the entire planet. Where did this "common ancestor" come from? Then lets not forget the law of biogenesis which states that all life must come from life and even then, only after its own kind. So how did we go from no life, to life? According to cell theory, all cells MUST come from pre-existing cells. At one point no cells existed. How can this be possible? Do you not see the paradox? You calling me blind is the ultimate irony.

The law of Biogenesis is a counter-argument to 'Spontaneous Generation', it's something that Darwinian Evolutionists agree with.
I'll note a second and last time. Evolution is not about the origins of life, it's how life changes/adapts to it's environment via mutation and natural selection over long periods of time.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How can you believe in a so called theory who's foundation is literally non-existent. In order to believe in evolution you have to believe in abiogenesis, the two are inseparable no matter how much you wish for them not to be. All of evolution is based upon the sole assumption that some day, abiogenesis will be proven to be true. However, this day has yet to come and will be as such indefinitely because it is already known to be a complete fabrication.

Abiogenesis =/= evolution the person who brought up abiogenesis is you, the only person who has been pushing abiogenesis is you. Stop posting about abiogenesis, it's completely irrelevant to the conversation.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you can go ahead and continue living your sad little lie of a life, jokes going to be on you when it ends.

This thinly veiled threat of eternal damnation that you poked out here only proves that you don't worship/believe out of experience/discovery/research/evidence or any of the like, it shows that you are scared little person who only believes in their own fear and need something external to hold things in order, which is why you, and none of the rest of us are so susceptible to such threats. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually not true. Male ligers cannot reproduce and most females can't either, and also hybrid animals are an extreme rarity in nature. Why is this? This is the exact opposite of what you'd expect if evolution were in fact true.

First wiki has a few fertile ligers mentioned. But regardless, this is a huge strawman. Evolution selects genes that survive. Correctly mating with lions is not a survival trait in tigers, nor vice versa.

Originally Posted by Nocturne

Ok so they've found so many types right? Ok so then explaining what animals lead up to an elephant should be easy. There are so many animals like an elephant, right? Oh wait there isn't. There isn't a single animal that exists that is even remotely close to an elephant. Where are all of the inbetween stages?

Googling 'elephant evolution' returns some pretty cool youtube videos.

What about monkeys turning into humans. If we evolved from monkeys, why do monkeys still exist? Why do they not even show a single sign or anything of the sort that they are evolving. I see a massive gap which shouldn't exist if evolution is true. There is a million mile wide gap that is missing and some how you manage to have so few brain cells in your head that you can't even manage to see it. The gap of intelligence is so unbelievably massive and yet the effects of evolution are suppose to be subtle gradual changes. Yet we have a nowhere near subtle or gradual transition and rather a giant, seemingly impossible leap.

Chimps and gorillas can learn sign language, although not at a human level. Some of the things they learn to do, like eat ants with a stick, they learn from each other. And humans wiped out our closest relatives, the Neanderthals. There are even crazy japanese tests: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...everer-us.html

Anyway, while we are far from knowing everything there is to know, it's far more likely to me that we are relatives of chimpanzees than that we were placed onto this planet by an unknown force that no one else has ever heard of.

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Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry I'm not sitting at my computer eagerly awaiting to appease the requests of my presence. I know a great deal about evolution, how else do you think I know that its bullshit? Sorry but unlike you I actually do this thing called research before I take a side. Evolution is not science, period. It is the biggest fraud ever introduced into the scientific community. There isn't a plethora of transitional species like their should be.

The fact that even a tiger and a lion can't produce fertile offspring should be all of the evidence you need to realize that evolution is bullshit but there is oh so much more. These two animals are extremely similar and according to how evolution is supposed to work, there isn't a single logical reason as to why this and so many other exceptions exist.

Then there's the problem of abiogenesis which in order for evolution to be possible, must be proven to be even remotely possible. To date there isn't a single shred of evidence for the possibility of abiogenesis(mostly due to being impossible). Evolution stands in direct defiance with the law of biogenesis which states that in fact no living thing can produce anything other than what it already is. It amazes me how many of you consider yourself scientists and can't even grasp the simple rudimentary concepts of science itself.

Why don't we see a single thing alive on this planet today that appears to be in transitional form when there should be an uncountable number of such things. Why is every animal in existence, virtually exactly how it was since recorded history itself began.

Platypus looks pretty transitional to me.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Platypus looks pretty transitional to me.

How do you explain "living fossils" like the coelacanth? Here is an example of something existing supposedly for millions of years virtually unchanged.

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Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you explain "living fossils" like the coelacanth? Here is an example of something existing supposedly for millions of years virtually unchanged.

Perhaps the mother fucker is comfortable with its self and doesn't feel the need to change what it is.

Guess maybe all the older cavemen were just more of god's creations and he just got drunk towards the end while making them.

Who says that there isn't a stopping point with evolution? Perhaps some shit are better at it than others? Who is to say Aliens didn't collect a bunch of shit and just drop it off as their on little scientific experiment?

You faggots can go back and forth with extremes of science, but none of you nor most of the "experts" of the world really know what the fuck they are talking about when it comes to this part of "science" because, well, no one can base it off anything but "faith" and Faith has no business in my fucking Science.

Evolution when compared to Religion is a much more solid foundation in my opinion, at least you can look at something and go... yeah, there are signs that evolution is/has happened with this.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Nhilist_santa

How do you explain "living fossils" like the coelacanth? Here is an example of something existing supposedly for millions of years virtually unchanged.

The explanation generally boils down to a number of factors, one of which is statistics. It stands to reason that if most species changes at an average rate that you'd also have some outliers that "leaped" ahead in the evolutionary scheme. The reverse is also true, that some species will be far-less differentiated for any number of factors, and will be outliers on the other side of the scale.

The outliers can be produced by a number of factors from sheer randomness to environmental reasons. For example, a very stable and sustained environment is one factor that can lead to living fossils. The creatures in such a habitat are not "rewarded" for mutations, and some environments might also "punish" what could otherwise be a beneficial mutation in another environment. Consider also the vast number of independent species. If their evolution in anyway resembles something like a bell-curve in terms of average rate of "progress" there's bound to be a few stragglers at the back many standard deviations behind in terms of how many changes they've experienced as a species over the ages.