Duration of Shared Grp XP Penalties

[Toony]

Originally Posted by Dersk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is really a moot point considering UI options. A minimized spellbook doesn't quite have the same effect as forcing a character into the original UI with a spellbook that completely blocked out the player's view. They really don't have an alternative with that one.

Dersk, at the risk of speaking for someone else, I'm pretty sure Phallax threw that one in there tongue in cheek.

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dersk, at the risk of speaking for someone else, I'm pretty sure Phallax threw that one in there tongue in cheek.

Yes hence the =P. A smile face or variation always makes everything better!

And as for being a "moot point" even tho the UI settings dont require a full screen spell book to be in effect, its still an inconvenience to have to have it open

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Dersk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those are unfair examples considering the request made here is something that existed during velious and is expected to be implemented eventually anyway. If players asked for racial experience penalties to be removed, which didn't happen until years later, then this would be a more appropriate dismissal.

unfair examples

I was responding directly to the claim that we pick and choose what negatively effects players. How are those not valid examples of negatively affecting players? Did I say anything about exp penalties? I was purely stating that the patch notes you guys receive will NOT be full of player perks, but the opposite, nerfs, since that is the majority of difference between classic and non-classic.

edit 2nd paragraph: I re-read your post with context, and understand it now. The feedback on this particular issue isn't what I was commenting on here, but I am keeping up to date with how people feel.

[stormiejs]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was purely stating that the patch notes you guys receive will NOT be full of player perks, but the opposite, nerfs, since that is the majority of difference between classic and non-classic.

It's hilarious to think of it this way, but it makes sense. Patch day has become a scary thing.

[Arclanz]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It will continue to seem this way. You see, most of what made classic Everquest different from non-classic Everquest wasn't just the content, it was the gameplay.

If you take the eq live patch notes for example, they continuously unnerfed or made things easier throughout the years.

With that in mind, think about a client and source that promote easy. That's what we had to start working with. 2006ish backwards.

-remove soulbinders (negatively effect players)
-remove keyring (negatively effect players)
-make invisibility random duration (negatively effect players)
-pets disappear when you invis or zone (negatively effect players)
-magical npcs are immune to non-magical weapons (negatively effect players)

on... and on..

I cannot think of many things that "positively" effect players that you might expect to see in the future.

If there is something in particular you know of, bug report it.

ROFL at Purist, I love that chart! Not taking sides since I haven't followed enough but your post earlier and flowchart are interesting [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oo that reminds me, Yes it was stare-at-spellbook until level 35 in classic. This, more than anything else I think, fostered the social environment that was EQ. Someone staring at a spellbook is most likely going to want to strike up a conversation. At least so they know their group mates are not afk and can tell them if an SG is pathing by.

Also, pets broke mez ALL THE TIME in classic; it caused MANY camps, raids, break-ins to fail. Do pets break mez on this server?

Thank you devs for all your great work; and to the players / posters for showing an interest.

[Striiker]

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, pets broke mez ALL THE TIME in classic; it caused MANY camps, raids, break-ins to fail. Do pets break mez on this server?

Yes, pets break mez on this server.

[apollyon arali]

Originally Posted by Striiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, pets break mez on this server.

Nope ..they do not break mez. You cannot send your pet to attack a mezzed mob..wont work.

[purist]

Toony, no. Just no. Here you go, since evidently you have the reading comprehension ability of a mongoloid with down's syndrome.

Originally Posted by Purist

Isn't there some sort of compromise that can be reached here? Like, for example, if a group has only one hybrid then the shared exp penalty is omitted or lessened for non-hybrid group members. And if a group has more than one hybrid, the exp penalty is shared?

Originally Posted by Toony

Eh I hope not. Seeing a lvl 50+ Troll SK back in the day was impressive, you knew they had persevered a lotta BS to get there.

Please don't make this some WoW'like Kumbaya lets all hold hands and give all the retards a trophy so no one feels left out kinda thing.

Originally Posted by Purist

Actually, if you read my post, I was quite clear that all hybrid xp penalties should remain as they are. That's in terms of the penalty's effect on hybrid PCs themselves.

In fact, I think what I suggested was rather modest. What I said was maybe there could be some sort of relief for the non-hybrid group members who currently share the burden of their fellow hybrid groupie's class penalty if there was only one hybrid in the group. Allow me to spell it out, since you don't seem to understand. So, in a group with 1 Paladin/Ranger/Shadow Knight + and 5 other non-hybrids, the Paladin/Ranger/Shadow Knight still receives the full hybrid class xp penalty, but the rest of the group gets some kind of break since there's only one hybrid in the group. On the other hand, if the party has more than one hybrid, like a Paladin + Ranger + 4 others, then full shared hybrid class xp penalties remains in full effect.

Anyway, I was just brainstorming a random idea in order to forge some sort of compromise on the shared-group hybrid xp penalty issue.

You made a dumbass evocation of WoW (the last refuge of a retard with no argument) and chalked in the word "kumbaya" for good measure and then presented it as a rational argument. Then, when you got called on your shit you didn't reply. Don't try to backtrack now and make shit up about how you "were referring to racial penalties" (lol wtf?).

[Toony]

Originally Posted by purist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Toony, no. Just no. Here you go, since evidently you have the reading comprehension ability of a mongoloid with down's syndrome.

You made a dumbass evocation of WoW (the last refuge of a retard with no argument) and chalked in the word "kumbaya" for good measure and then presented it as a rational argument. Then, when you got called on your shit you didn't reply. Don't try to backtrack now and make shit up about how you "were referring to racial penalties" (lol wtf?).

That's a lot of rage, are you going to be ok? And I'm pretty sure you meant 'chucked in' not 'chalked in'.

[purist]

Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a lot of rage, are you going to be ok? And I'm pretty sure you meant 'chucked in' not 'chalked in'.

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