Economy barrier for new players

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Pilgrimzero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even coming back to a "1999 server" people still know how to game the system.

SOME people know the game. Other people come to the forums and make threads whining about the economy because they don't know how to make a few hundred pp by level 20.

I really don't mean to point any fingers with this specific post, but wtf is up with all the whining about twinks and the economy and how p99 isn't every person's individual MMO paradise lately?

[Pilgrimzero]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SOME people know the game. Other people come to the forums and make threads whining about the economy because they don't know how to make a few hundred pp by level 20.

I really don't mean to point any fingers with this specific post, but wtf is up with all the whining about twinks and the economy and how p99 isn't every person's individual MMO paradise lately?

Im fairly new so I cant really add into much. I ahvent met and twinks or see any crazy prices for gear. I long for the day I leave Nek Forest.

I guess my point is, for ME Im not worried about that stuff. I just want to play old EQ and meet fellow fans. Broken economy, price gouging, twinks, dont really matter to me. I came here to play a game I love and am happy to meet like minded people (just wish I saw more people). I want to recapture that old nostalgia. Yea its not going to be 100%, it cant be, but for know Im having tons of fun, even when a darn Shadow Wolf jumps in on my current battle and gets me killed! Stupid forest!

I havent thought this muich about EQ in a decade. And Im loving every minute of it.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Pilgrimzero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im fairly new so I cant really add into much. I ahvent met and twinks or see any crazy prices for gear. I long for the day I leave Nek Forest.

I guess my point is, for ME Im not worried about that stuff. I just want to play old EQ and meet fellow fans. Broken economy, price gouging, twinks, dont really matter to me. I came here to play a game I love and am happy to meet like minded people (just wish I saw more people). I want to recapture that old nostalgia. Yea its not going to be 100%, it cant be, but for know Im having tons of fun, even when a darn Shadow Wolf jumps in on my current battle and gets me killed! Stupid forest!

I havent thought this muich about EQ in a decade. And Im loving every minute of it.

You are going to do well here. This is my exact attitude.

[Pilgrimzero]

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are going to do well here. This is my exact attitude.

I only wish i had more time. If I can get in an hour at night i feel lucky.

Not like the old days when I could log on after work and play till all hours of the night

Stupid adult responsiblities!


Hesperax the DE SK will get there though, slowly but surely. ECommons... one day! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[veejur]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Other people come to the forums and make threads whining about the economy because they don't know how to make a few hundred pp by level 20.

I really don't mean to point any fingers with this specific post, but wtf is up with all the whining about twinks and the economy and how p99 isn't every person's individual MMO paradise lately?

You can call what I'm doing whining, OK. I look at it more as asking for advice, but I get how people are probably sick of this. It's not your problem anymore, why care? Again, I'm just asking these questions because I think this server is awesome, the concept is fantastic, but I'm struggling a bit. Thank you for your advice everyone, casting aside the posts that didn't really offer anything, I see quite a few that did. I will take this to heart and try out some of these spots, thank you.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by veejur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can call what I'm doing whining, OK. I look at it more as asking for advice, but I get how people are probably sick of this. It's not your problem anymore, why care? Again, I'm just asking these questions because I think this server is awesome, the concept is fantastic, but I'm struggling a bit. Thank you for your advice everyone, casting aside the posts that didn't really offer anything, I see quite a few that did. I will take this to heart and try out some of these spots, thank you.

I specifically said I wasn't pointing any fingers with that post because, ya know, I wasn't pointing any fingers with that post. I don't think you are whining, or else I would have just said as much. Other people in this thread and in other recent threads on the forums though definitely have been whining, and that's why I was talking about it.

[veejur]

Thanks for your replies everyone. There were quite a few assumptions made (not sure everyone read my full post) but I think the general gist makes sense. Yes, I rolled a gear dependent class (monk). Yes, I've since rolled a necro and enchanter since they are hopefully less gear dependent. No, it doesn't bother me when there are twinks in the group. I know I can level up to 40s and get much better gear at that point. I guess the question is - why is it that cheaper items are pretty much nonexistent? The vendor sell vs. time spent selling in tunnel argument makes a lot of sense to me, thank you for that insight.

My monk has 40p on her at level 26. This is due to weight restriction and just general low value of items she can carry. Making 200p is not "easy" when you don't have handouts. I'm seeing threads about "just drop 100p on this and 100p on this, cheap for starting out". Or "just loot some dead xxx mob or have someone let you loot yyy". I'm not sure if it's just a personality problem of mine (probably) but I have a hard time asking people for handouts. When I played an SK on live he started out a complete noob in Kunark but was able to afford some stuff in tunnel by the time he was lvl 15. Hopefully I'll fare better on my monk.

The primary goal of the post was to get a gauge for how people feel about the gaming going on in the economy. I'm hearing in general people are fine with it which I'll say is much easier to do once you are sitting on plat, but to each his own.

Thanks for all your replies. This was not meant to be a "vent" post, or to accuse or complain about anything. It's just an open discussion about the experience players new to this server are having that didn't start out on here pre-kunark.

[Tulnavara]

Originally Posted by veejur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

. Making 200p is not "easy" when you don't have handouts.

I'd just like to point out that it is incredibly easy to make 200 plat as long as you can kill skeletons, spiderlings, and bears.

HQ bear skins go for 20pp. A stack of bone chips 5-10pp. Stack of spiderling silk 20-25pp. If you're killing greens you don't have to worry about your weight limit at all either. You can easily get 10 HQ bear in a couple of hours of running around EC/WC slaughtering them all. I know, I just did it two weeks ago on a 55 str enchanter.

[Honest]

Originally Posted by veejur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Making 200p is not "easy" when you don't have handouts.

I easily made this on my first character on server, non twinked, camping nybright sisters for a single session. When I hit my high teens i moved to gargoyles in oot which drop eyes that sell for 10pp a pop with a chance to drop 2 eyes at once. Or NK to turn in lightstones for books at 10pp a pop. Then on to the sister islands for their swords. There are guards at the first bridge in Neriak you can kill at your early twenties that drop bronze/fs weapons you can sell. You can get a lot of decent monk gear for dirt cheap, Master Wu's Trance Stick alone will last you 30-40 lvls and you can get for 200pp. You reap what you sow. Play smart and the money will come. It may be hard for you to believe but there are people who started with nothing who have many shiny pixels today.

[Reubin]

To answer the OP's question as to WHY there aren't many low level items available, I just don't think most people take the time to auction them. Heck, I saw Paladin Deepwater Boots on a vendor in FV today and those aren't even low level gear. Some items aren't worth the time it takes to sell them. A lot of people just don't care about selling an item for 10-25pp to a player if a vendor will give them 8pp for it. It's easier just to vendor the item and not have to waste time in the EC tunnel.

Also, a lot of places those low level items drop (Befallen, Najena, Split Paw, Runny Eye, Blackborrow, etc.) just don't seem to be zones that are used all that much here. The population just isn't big enough to support every dungeon. The server seems to peak out at about 800-1000 at high play times. There was easily double that on live servers during the Kunark era.