Fact: EQ was meant to be a PvP game

[odiecat99]

thread fails.

[Vladesch]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I use sense animals, firefist, calm animal, spirit of cheetah and greater wolf form often.

I can't see any situation where any of these spells are useful, with the exception of spirit of cheetah under very specific circumstances (and only because of the stupid non stacking of sow and root). Perhaps you would like to let us know under what circumstances you find these spells of use to you because frankly I have my doubts.

[myriverse]

Yeah. There are no uses for attack bonus and speed.

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by Vladesch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't see any situation where any of these spells are useful, with the exception of spirit of cheetah under very specific circumstances (and only because of the stupid non stacking of sow and root). Perhaps you would like to let us know under what circumstances you find these spells of use to you because frankly I have my doubts.

I'll do it for him.

Firefist = Attack bonus
Greater Wolf form = more movement speed and atk bonus than regular wolf form
Spirit of Cheetah = Really fucking fast travel time
Sense animal = tells you where the fuck the nearest animal is so you can charm it and use it against idiots
Invisibility to animals = so you can trick people into running into hostile animals while chasing you
Invoke Lightning = AOE DD

There now, I came up with a response for almost every spell you listed. You can have your doubts, but sometimes people do different shit than root nuke rinse repeat on everything and anything possible. Tis called strategy.

[Stormhowl]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's why there's a Priest of Dischord at the default bind point in every city and every toon created (even on PvE servers) starts with a Book of Dischord?

1) Hasty Generalization Fallacy. Just because there's the option for PvP on a PvE server doesn't mean the game was designed as PvP.

And there were extremely popular PvP servers at launch of EQ?

2) Appeal to Popularity Fallacy. Just because PvP was popular doesn't mean it was designed as a PvP game.

Not to mention all the obvious PvP items and spells built into the design of the game?

3) Composition Fallacy. Just because a very, very small sample of abilities and spells have "PvP-only" functions (in your opinion), doesn't mean the whole of the game is PvP.

Derp.

Stop talking. Also, it's endlessly entertaining you ignored the interview where the designers specifically stated that EverQuest was not designed with PvP in mind because of how Ultima Online played out two years prior.

Can we just get this thread locked?

[Faerie Blossom]

EQ PvP was kind of a happy little accident [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter if it was intended or not, it was certainly the best gaming experience I've ever had.

[Kimm Barely]

Look at all the rustled butthurt bloobs that can't accept the truth about EQ.

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by Kimm Barely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at all the rustled butthurt bloobs that can't accept the truth about EQ.

Oh bloobs haha, jeeze.

[Bardalicious]

Not to sound flame-ish, but OP... u dumb.

Not only do you state pumice is a PvP-intended item, but you scoff at the valid example of use in PVE?

I mean really, how dense are you? It's not any wonder that someone so mind-set on PVP is so terrible at understanding PVE mechanics.

Sorry bud, but any melee that is out soloing caster types in PVE and not using a pumice is doing it wrong. A mob that would otherwise flee with SoW now flees at normal speed. A mob that has a DS that would normally make any fast-hitting melee kill themselves on it now has none. A mob that just got intimidated and is fleeing towards a group of social aggro NPC types just had the fear cancelled. A mob that got cleric buffed now has 30% less hp to burn through than if you hadn't stripped it. Etc etc etc.

Not to mention the applications it has when used on yourself i.e. snare/root/any fucking number of magic-based dots/debuffs.

I mean fuck. It's obvious you have no semblance of logical thought pattern. I don't know why anyone is bothering to refute your outrageous claims as it clearly won't help you. Food for thought: they wouldn't have released Kunark a year later to add 2x the PVE content if they had any intentions of advancing the PVP aspect of the game instead.

I enjoy my fair share of PVP, but jesus man.... it's bullshit like this that makes everyone else look so far down upon our little niche of gamers. The only FACT about EQ and PVP is that the original PVP server(s) were much better off when they were populated with both PVP AND PVE-style gamers.

[Stinkum]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to sound flame-ish, but OP... u dumb.

Not only do you state pumice is a PvP-intended item, but you scoff at the valid example of use in PVE?

I mean really, how dense are you? It's not any wonder that someone so mind-set on PVP is so terrible at understanding PVE mechanics.

Sorry bud, but any melee that is out soloing caster types in PVE and not using a pumice is doing it wrong. A mob that would otherwise flee with SoW now flees at normal speed. A mob that has a DS that would normally make any fast-hitting melee kill themselves on it now has none. A mob that just got intimidated and is fleeing towards a group of social aggro NPC types just had the fear cancelled. A mob that got cleric buffed now has 30% less hp to burn through than if you hadn't stripped it. Etc etc etc.

Not to mention the applications it has when used on yourself i.e. snare/root/any fucking number of magic-based dots/debuffs.

I mean fuck. It's obvious you have no semblance of logical thought pattern. I don't know why anyone is bothering to refute your outrageous claims as it clearly won't help you. Food for thought: they wouldn't have released Kunark a year later to add 2x the PVE content if they had any intentions of advancing the PVP aspect of the game instead.

I enjoy my fair share of PVP, but jesus man.... it's bullshit like this that makes everyone else look so far down upon our little niche of gamers. The only FACT about EQ and PVP is that the original PVP server(s) were much better off when they were populated with both PVP AND PVE-style gamers.

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