Why don't you....

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Add option : PvP was an afterthought of the developers at best.

I don't think this is exactly true... Becoming "red" on a blue server had basically the same mechanics as the MUDs that came before, where you gave up your "guardian angel" and became killable by other players. I belonged to an "undead" guild on one such MUD where you were required to go PK...

The problem was that so few people on any one server were interested in it... so it needed its own server to achieve critical mass. Plus it was a nifty way to get some "replayability" out of their current product.

I don't think they ever expected it would be "fair" or "balanced"... EQ by its nature was a cruel bitch of a game, why should the PvP flavor be any different?

[billpaleq]

Red is a solo game until 50's. While playing you have to also enjoy trolls and complainers.

[Triangle]

I have seriously considered playing some red and why I haven't gone over can't be explained by one reason only.. It is a mixture of the people playing on red, the ruleset and the population.

Firstly I don't like the ruleset. Sullon Zek had a great rule set where teams were forced. Over on red 90% of the people are in Nihilum and that blows because im a perpetual fan of the underdog and I wouldnt want to be on there team - it would not be any fun! However going up against them isn't fun if you only have a very small amount of people doing it with you.

Secondly the people really turn me off to the server. RnF is fair play and I appreciate it, but some of the people I see over there create posts that really make me question whether or not I want to be on a FFA pvp server with them.

The population is of course an issue but a secondary one - if the server were different more people like me would play on it.... I seriously just don't get why everyone who goes over there joins the same guild.. that is not how pvp happens. Then nihilum people just talk shit on the forums all day, its an awful atmosphere in my opinion.

Forced teams at the conception of the server may have helped stop that from happening by at least creating some legit opposition. Heres an example of why the server is fucked: people who are not in nihilum level to 60, they get bored of having no one on their team, no way to get uber gear, and get owned by 6-1 odds in pvp. They sell their character. Who buys it? Of course the people with all the platinum buy it --> nihilum people. Now if teams were forced ala Sullon Zek, nihilum wouldnt buy that character because it wouldnt be on the same side they are on.. There are plenty of other explanations as to why forced teams = better than FFA, but Im tired and rambling =P

[xarzzardorn]

who knew account selling is bad for the community!

[Tecmos Deception]

Imo, the only good PvP games are designed without all the devs and players being 100% focused on it.

LoL? Warcraft arenas/BGs? Lame

Eve, shadowbane, etc? Awesome.

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imo, the only good PvP games are designed without all the devs and players being 100% focused on it.

LoL? Warcraft arenas/BGs? Lame

Eve, shadowbane, etc? Awesome.

Actually, the only PvP I ever truly enjoyed was Wintergrasp in WoW. That was a fun event to me. Win, lose... didn't matter. I always had fun. I also loved how "pick up" it was.

[myriverse]

My disdain of PVP, at all, is damn near religious.

[Lagaidh]

I wanted to click a couple options but...

I voted that I do not like EverQuest PvP. Let's face it... it's crap and always has been. The classes are just too imbalanced at this point in EQ's timeline for PvP to truly be about player skill vs skill.

Another reason is the "type of player" drawn to this incarnation of red. There's no fun in being curbstomped because you like to play your normal class, and it sucks in low-level PvP, and then having your killer act like it was a matter of skill, experience and sagacity. Like a teenage punk that shoves an old man and claims to have "kicked his ass". Maybe it's possible that post L20 this is less of an issue and that EQ red is like the fans say: "Solve your own problems! Oh people end up being good guys and reputation keeps people in check". I doubt it. I won't play alongside griefers.

And of course, with my and my wife's playstyle (slow as hell), I'd rather not reaccrue the plat it would take for me to get all the goodies I have on blue.

Speaking for me and me alone, the "recruitment drives" of red players in blue forums also turned me off for good. It's a gut reaction, but seeing folks in desperation to save a server means I just don't want to get into it at all.

[Kevynne]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wanted to click a couple options but...

I voted that I do not like EverQuest PvP. Let's face it... it's crap and always has been. The classes are just too imbalanced at this point in EQ's timeline for PvP to truly be about player skill vs skill.

Another reason is the "type of player" drawn to this incarnation of red. There's no fun in being curbstomped because you like to play your normal class, and it sucks in low-level PvP, and then having your killer act like it was a matter of skill, experience and sagacity. Like a teenage punk that shoves an old man and claims to have "kicked his ass". Maybe it's possible that post L20 this is less of an issue and that EQ red is like the fans say: "Solve your own problems! Oh people end up being good guys and reputation keeps people in check". I doubt it. I won't play alongside griefers.

And of course, with my and my wife's playstyle (slow as hell), I'd rather not reaccrue the plat it would take for me to get all the goodies I have on blue.

Speaking for me and me alone, the "recruitment drives" of red players in blue forums also turned me off for good. It's a gut reaction, but seeing folks in desperation to save a server means I just don't want to get into it at all.

Just wait for mana burn c:

[snwbrdr642]

I've thought about playing on red, but the FFA ruleset with a small population seems problematic.

Also, is red up to kunark yet? My main motivation for blue would be to play where 50 is the cap because I've never experienced that.