Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[Ravager]

No one is telling you to invest the time. You are arbitrarily making the work for yourself tracking and zerging. And having no rotations caters to those who would rather track and zerg than just share things like 6 year olds.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is telling you to invest the time. You are arbitrarily making the work for yourself tracking and zerging. And having no rotations caters to those who would rather track and zerg than just share things like 6 year olds.

yup and because of that we get the mobs. having rotations caters to those who don't want to invest any time yet want all the same rewards as those who do invest the time.

at your job do you get promoted just because you show up or because you put forth the extra effort?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yup and because of that we get the mobs. having rotations caters to those who don't want to invest any time yet want all the same rewards as those who do invest the time.

at your job do you get promoted just because you show up or because you put forth the extra effort?

Look Mav (and Merkk who is basically saying the same thing), I am sympathetic to your argument here. You (and FE/TMO) put in the time - and it's not just time, its time doing retarded stuff like tracking - that the rest of us don't particularly want to.

Where your argument falls apart though is the fact that variance is not classic. And that's why contrary to Sirken's claim that the devs are looking out for everyone, in practice they are catering exclusively to the top tier guilds which are currently TMO/FE.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look Mav, I am sympathetic to your argument here. You (and FE/TMO) put in the time - and it's not just time, its time doing retarded stuff like tracking - that the rest of us don't particularly want to.

Where your argument falls apart though is the fact that variance is not classic. And that's why it's FE/TMO that are being catered to right now, and not the casual guilds.

you think we asked for variance? I'd much prefer just knowing when the mobs died and fte competing instead of having to track. that's the part you keep ignoring. So what happens when there are server repops? All the excuses people are bringing up here go out the window. At the end of those days TMO/FE get every single raid mob of note minus 1-2?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you think we asked for variance? I'd much prefer just knowing when the mobs died and fte competing instead of having to track. that's the part you keep ignoring. So what happens when there are server repops? All the excuses people are bringing up here go out the window. At the end of those days TMO/FE get every single raid mob of note minus 1-2?

You totally missed my point here. You have said on this thread that rotations benefit the 'lazy' who don't want to 'put in the time' to get raid mobs. My point is that this time is an artificial non-classic addition that was put in by the gms.

Also, just pointing this out, but if variance was removed FE would get 1/2 of the mobs they get now at most. There would be 250 people on the spawn for every raid mob. That's why I don't think purely removing variance will work; it has to be combined with simultaneous repops. And yes, if a reset were to happen now TMO/FE would get everything. But if they were a regular occurrence? No way. You are kidding yourself if you don't think the rest of the server knows how to buy resist gear and zerg down bosses. We just aren't interested in doing it at 3AM or pushing the track button.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look Mav (and Merkk who is basically saying the same thing), I am sympathetic to your argument here. You (and FE/TMO) put in the time - and it's not just time, its time doing retarded stuff like tracking - that the rest of us don't particularly want to.

Where your argument falls apart though is the fact that variance is not classic. And that's why contrary to Sirken's claim that the devs are looking out for everyone, in practice they are catering exclusively to the top tier guilds which are currently TMO/FE.

You argue variance, but man it'd be even worse then, for example dojo, drusella, tranix... Once more than 1 or 2 guilds get timer. It'd just be a sock and FTE battle which is plain stupid, but i understand not wanting to track. its boring. but thats where each member pulls their weight then tracking becomes easier.

[Ravager]

This is a game not a job. You're making a job of it and ruining the game for the rest of the people who just want to play. And grats on Maestro this morning, that was some fine tracking FE did.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a game not a job. You're making a job of it and ruining the game for the rest of the people who just want to play. And grats on Maestro this morning, that was some fine tracking FE did.

I think you're misunderstanding what raiding actually is. Raiding in and of itself is meant for the "hardcore" crowd. That is the whole point of raiding, the rest of the content is there for people who want to play more casually. You're trying to apply world of warcraft mentality to Everquest, it doesn't work.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a game not a job. You're making a job of it and ruining the game for the rest of the people who just want to play. And grats on Maestro this morning, that was some fine tracking FE did.

pretty sure you can still play the game regardless of what tmo/fe do...

thanks.

[kotton05]

Vianna you have no idea how trivial some of the kills are, you generalize what happens and use it as a fact. Some may be a zerg, but we've killed a dragon in VP with 20.

I along with the help of many others hard work and determination got FC their first dragon/god/VS(tho tainted) , did anyone give FC that shit? fuck no, did FC apps blow up yes? did you come back after the we got vs hmm? so you want to raid but dont want to put the hours in, well thats where tracking / batphone comes into play. I love FC but dont play the oh we casual card and want mobs, i had that planned out but you wanted no part of an FE alliance.

Since then i've seen 1 guild, i repeat 1 guild step up to trakanon, Chest led BDA into jug lair during trak window and i think they wiped cause a pet aggro'd to many jugs, i truly wished they killed him, Now thats another way, may not always work out but never know, Chest is a great guy, loves his guild and has been there in my eyes thru thick n thin and I applaud him and BDA for stepping up to trak. I had many talks with him about how to make the server better, it came down to TMO, i think all other guilds on board to show some chivalry, not much.. but some.. i'm partial to FC, some are partial to Div, some are partial to BDA... the list can go on, but at this point only Div/BDA i've seen out tracking and killing while mobs in window.

Not trying to insult Vianna in any way, i'm painting a picture on my personal PoV so others can ellaborate on what i've said....

SIRKEN said, GM's will not enforce shit, but if the guilds decided he wont say no either.....

Now hear me out, as ive come from leading planes raids with Ramblin in FC , to socking mobs and winning.. to joining FE and making getting trak my personal vendetta. I see no easy way for an outcome of rotations to happen, mobs like Inny/CT/Trak/VS/Sev/Fay will always be highly contested. Now saying that, I know Div and i'm sure bda is ready for some greenscale and some pods. So they are showing up more frequently at Sev. Showing they want it, so in my eyes, those guilds might earn a rotation if one if ever agree'd upon. So if youre wanting mobs put some bodies in the zone, camp out, track for now. Nothing will change. but lets say i'm tracking sev, rest of TMO/fe are in VP hashing it out over PD... which will happen. And sev pops, think we will log our alts to kill sev? I think very unlikely. Now would I send chest / ramblin / stac a tell saying hey this shits up hurry get here? Very likely. I speak on behalf of myself this is by no means is everyone in FE's pov.

In conclusion, inter guild relations are key, even if its just a hi and bye type relationship. I for one try to be as uplifting and thoughtful for anyone I run across. I suggest you do the same, talk in tells amongst members even if not officers, maybe someday something will happen when a mob is up and through the grape vine a guild hears and mobilizes, thatll only happen if the connection there is on good terms. I'd personally like to see FV/BDA/FC/Div get some epics. I know what it feels like to not see the dragon i wanted. I'm all for the underdog and if anyone has anything to add feel free to pm me/post here/ or send Merkk a tell ingame. I try to hear everyone out=-)