Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[Splorf22]

Here is what I don't get Jeremy. You have 3 L60 chars and another L50. I'm guessing all of them have an epic/vp gear/full kunark armor/decent amount of sky gear. I mean what motivates you to log in at 3AM to kill CT? It can't be the pixels right? FE isn't in quite the same boat (especially wrt VP) but even Maverix who talking about how FE needs every pixel has two L60 chars, both with the epic etc etc. I guess if Kunark had come out a month ago and we were all rocking L50 chars with classic gear I could see people wanting to be first and so on. But it's been two years and people are still batphoning and making rnf threads about Trakanon. I guess I just don't understand so many people still care so much.

[Sirken]

A+ thread.

just one thing, raid guilds had batphones and used trackers on live. if you dont know that, then either 1) you didnt raid on live, or 2) you were on a hand holding rotation server where no competition existed and as such no reason for batphones or mob tracking existed.

kill the king,
save the world

[quido]

My bard, my second alt, isn't even VP keyed. My monk doesn't have a bracer or shoulders from sky along with anything from VP except for a bostaff. I don't own a Dragon Hero Bracer and would like one for my main. Jeremy is short a piece from PD too. I never really figured you guys believed that PD-geared down to the 4th alt crap.

Call me a hater or whatever, I'm just trying to keep it real with you guys here. You're trying to turn a banana into an apple. Get some realistic proposals.

[Woahnelly]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Call me a hater or whatever, I'm just trying to keep it real with you guys here. You're trying to turn a banana into an apple. Get some realistic proposals.

I propose you stop being an asshole. Instead of shitting on what everybody is saying, offer an idea of your own or stop posting. The fact that your main is missing one piece from PD doesn't mean that you need to keep raping naggy and vox.

[Splorf22]

Loraen, do you really need ask what keeps us here? It's obvious. We love this game, we love the community, and it's fucking fun. I'm sorry that what we have here isn't exactly your cup of tea, but you seem to enjoy it in your own right.

You are missing my point completely. I am not saying anyone who gets a Phara Dar item has won the game and should delete their character and ride off into the sunset. What I am asking is why you guys are still so competitive about content that was originally released 13 years ago and 2 years ago on this server. It's gone beyond getting a character with (almost) BiS gear, now the Alpha Gamers have to have 3+. What baffles me is why it's so important to you to contest every boss mob. I'm guessing you have killed or attempted to kill trakanon over 200 times. Why aren't you even a little bored with him, to the point where you wouldn't consider just playing a different game or something 1/8 weeks? I'm not even asking you to do this, I just don't understand why you wouldn't do it on your own, out of sheer boredom if nothing else.

Originally Posted by Sirken

you were on a hand holding rotation server where no competition existed

Sirken, please don't try and BS me on this one. Mobs on live did not have a 96 hour variance, and this completely changes the game. Here on 1999 we have a server where a) 75% of the content is trivialized by invis/hide pulling and b) the compass is removed because it isn't classic yet c) we have non-classic variance which deliberately removes 2/3 of the population. I'd really like to see you try and explain this combination of factors rather than excoriate the players who don't want to play the batphone/poopsock game.

[Tierael]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My bard, my second alt, isn't even VP keyed. My monk doesn't have a bracer or shoulders from sky along with anything from VP except for a bostaff. I don't own a Dragon Hero Bracer and would like one for my main. Jeremy is short a piece from PD too. I never really figured you guys believed that PD-geared down to the 4th alt crap.

Call me a hater or whatever, I'm just trying to keep it real with you guys here. You're trying to turn a banana into an apple. Get some realistic proposals.

I gave a realistic proposal, but BDA can't be any part of it in your eyes :\

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A+ thread.

just one thing, raid guilds had batphones and used trackers on live. if you dont know that, then either 1) you didnt raid on live, or 2) you were on a hand holding rotation server where no competition existed and as such no reason for batphones or mob tracking existed.

kill the king,
save the world

Oh yes there was batphone and tracking (even though it really started to get widespread with PoP). But there was no such thing as variance, fte rules etc. which pretty much negates all the above, because it doesn't mean the same involvement is required.
As I said, variance was one solution to the non classic involvement which occurs on this server. No need to talk about hand holding, it's like trying to divert attention from the real issue.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh yes there was batphone and tracking (even though it really started to get widespread with PoP). But there was no such thing as variance, fte rules etc. which pretty much negates all the above, because it doesn't mean the same involvement is required.
As I said, variance was one solution to the non classic involvement which occurs on this server. No need to talk about hand holding, it's like trying to divert attention from the real issue.

we had batphones in kunark and velious. it equated to some awesome races for Lodzial (Lozdial?) the giant IC turtle. maybe some servers didn't require them.. we'll say for various reasons.

one thing ive noticed (and im not taking a shot at anyone here) from talking with players is that a decent amount of the players on the server were born after 84-85. and i know what your thinking, "But sirken, so the fawk what?" my point is that if you were 14 or younger, you probably didnt have your own phone, and you probably werent allowed to get phone calls from strangers on that "elf game". my point is, batphoning always existed.

as far as the variance, let me try to explain this for the 1000th time (btw, i think i know who the 1000th commander of the nights watch will be.. wait nm wrong thread). the staff and the players have extremely different priorities. for the staff, the variance exists so that no one guild can lock down content. so that they can not manipulate the repop times until ALL the bosses are in the the off peak hours (12am-7am), and then essentially unless you see the mob die, you will not know the repop time. furthermore, no variance guarantees that the top guild stays on top because no other guild will ever kill trakanon or get vp teeth. FURTHERMORE it turns every other guild into a stepping stone for the top guild. Now, SOME of you might say "Sirken, STFU! Some mobs are better than no mobs! wtf is wrong with you stupid GM, what cant you see this?!? you must be teh stupidz!!!1!!!11!!". and to that id say,we dont give a shit about any one particular guild, our interest is whats best for the server, and more over, planning for the future of the server, and taking into consideration guilds or players that may still yet join Project 1999. That being said, taking away the variance makes it impossible for the top guild to be dethroned (without pvp or /guildwar). So im terribly sorry, but we are not willing to just hand over the server to the top guild permanently, so that the smaller guilds can drop inny and maestro twice a month. Now the players dont see it that way, and to be fair, nobody expects them to think that way. Players simply do not think that way, they think about themselves and their guild, possibly some allies, and thats it.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as far as the variance, let me try to explain this for the 1000th time (btw, i think i know who the 1000th commander of the nights watch will be.. wait nm wrong thread). the staff and the players have extremely different priorities. for the staff, the variance exists so that no one guild can lock down content. so that they can not manipulate the repop times until ALL the bosses are in the the off peak hours (12am-7am), and then essentially unless you see the mob die, you will not know the repop time.

I think both parts of this argument are just empirically false. First, we have just exited a period of about 10 months where TMO got something like 90% of the mobs. Second, how is a guild going to manipulate the repop times when everything dies in minutes? Noble Dojorn has no variance and his repop time is gradually moving more and more into prime time.

That being said, taking away the variance makes it impossible for the top guild to be dethroned (without pvp or /guildwar). So im terribly sorry, but we are not willing to just hand over the server to the top guild permanently, so that the smaller guilds can drop inny and maestro twice a month. Now the players dont see it that way, and to be fair, nobody expects them to think that way. Players simply do not think that way, they think about themselves and their guild, possibly some allies, and thats it.

If this is true, why is it all the small guilds want to remove variance and all the big guilds want to keep it?

Originally Posted by xarzzardorn

Loraen, believe it or not, new people join TMO all the time. You have spent this entire thread shitting on the people who sold you a VP key so that you could see VP or loot weapons with -1 delay or whatever. How would you like it if I told you you're a fucking idiot who starts a 1-man circlejerk every time you post? How many times can you charm a mob and pray until you get tired of it?

No.

[Fountree]

Sirk got it right imo