Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by KotBK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aenarie please read what you type, you tell others not to base assumptions about you or your guild then that is all you yourself are making of others.

Who are you to say all these other guilds aren't or haven't been making "some kind of effort"? You have no idea as you aren't even fully aware of what your own guild does 24/7 or what each member believes. Please just be quiet or bring something intellectual to the table other than blatant hypocrisy.

You're absolutely correct, I dont know what these other guilds have been doing, but they have not told me either. I have made no assumptions as to what others have done, I am simply stating information from what has been posted here and my own thoughts about it. I can only speak from what I know. My argument was never about what they've done before, it is about what is being asked now, and I am expressing MY thoughts on the subject.

I am also not a spokesperson for TMO, I am a spokesperson for myself. If nobody has told me the effort they have made, I have no way to say that they have or have not made some level of effort. If you're stating that others have made efforts recently, then please tell me what they are because I dont see them listed here. I've never tried to state otherwise. I am simply stating that I personally would like to see some kind of effort.

I also do not know what people in my guild do 24/7, nor can I control their personal choices they make in game. I do however have a voice, and can express my thoughts and concerns to the leadership of TMO, which does respect my voice and opinions, so my opinions can influence the direction that my guild takes.

[Yajirobe Yajipants]

Rotations wouldn't be a terribly difficult thing to accommodate. GMs form a rotation list and the server abides by the list. Then, there are very aggressive and severe punishments if there's any negative departure from the list (any guild other than the one that's currently up for MOB A's current spawn interfering). I'd imagine mandatory minimum month long account bans (not just raid "bans") for anyone with the offending guild that is present and three month account bans for the actively involved offending players would be alright.

This gives everyone a shot at reliving what they did on live and provides a rather stiff penalty for the shit heads who only strive to grief everyone who would dare dream of looting their pixels. Then again, FTE shouts are an issue being ignored and we were told there are random respawns coming when we actually got mobs that don't agro for 3 seconds and extended spawn windows. Life is so crazy here on opposite server.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by Yajirobe Yajipants [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rotations wouldn't be a terribly difficult thing to accommodate. GMs form a rotation list and the server abides by the list. Then, there are very aggressive and severe punishments if there's any negative departure from the list (any guild other than the one that's currently up for MOB A's current spawn interfering). I'd imagine mandatory minimum month long account bans (not just raid "bans") for anyone with the offending guild that is present and three month account bans for the actively involved offending players would be alright.

This gives everyone a shot at reliving what they did on live and provides a rather stiff penalty for the shit heads who only strive to grief everyone who would dare dream of looting their pixels. Then again, FTE shouts are an issue being ignored and we were told there are random respawns coming when we actually got mobs that don't agro for 3 seconds and extended spawn windows. Life is so crazy here on opposite server.

GMs have publicly stated they would not enforce rotations, and with rotations you loose ALL competition... its all just who's turn it is, and some guilds cant necessarily handle all of the mobs.. Gore is a good example.

Or rotation method 1: Guild A's turn in rotation Sunday - Saturday, they fail to kill mob Sunday - Friday, finally succeed on Saturday... mob now has 4 days before its window opens again... Guild B's rotation starts. Sunday - Saturday ... mob doesn't spawn at all during their rotation cycle, spawns Monday for Guild C's rotation window.

Rotation method 2: Guild A kills 4 targets ... so now Guild B is up on those... Guild B kills 2, so now Guild C is up... then the 5th target for Guild A spawns, etc etc. All you have now is to keep track of each mob, and who's turn it is... and it can become a giant cluster.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Yajirobe Yajipants [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rotations wouldn't be a terribly difficult thing to accommodate. GMs form a rotation list and the server abides by the list. Then, there are very aggressive and severe punishments if there's any negative departure from the list (any guild other than the one that's currently up for MOB A's current spawn interfering). I'd imagine mandatory minimum month long account bans (not just raid "bans") for anyone with the offending guild that is present and three month account bans for the actively involved offending players would be alright.

This gives everyone a shot at reliving what they did on live and provides a rather stiff penalty for the shit heads who only strive to grief everyone who would dare dream of looting their pixels. Then again, FTE shouts are an issue being ignored and we were told there are random respawns coming when we actually got mobs that don't agro for 3 seconds and extended spawn windows. Life is so crazy here on opposite server.

GMs have clearly stated they will not enforce any kind of rotation. And this is not the scope of the request.

And please everybody try to keep this thread civil.

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Obviously, most smaller guilds have stated here they would be interested.

I'm in touch with FE atm, who gave a rather encouraging answer. But no answer yet from TMO. Hoping to hear from them still.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm in touch with FE atm, who gave a rather encouraging answer. But no answer yet from TMO. Hoping to hear from them still.

I know that there are internal discussions regarding some things like this, but being that TMO primarily democratic in its views, we have to give our members a chance to discuss and be heard in their own thoughts.

Final officer decisions are made based on majority opinion rather than edict in about 95% of how we do things.

I suggest pinging Zeelot directly, either in game or with a PM on forums, or even coming over to our website and pinging him through there. I don't know that he's aware of this posting, or if a finalized consensus has been reached in guild yet though. If I see him online today, i'll make sure to bring it up to him.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know that there are internal discussions regarding some things like this, but being that TMO primarily democratic in its views, we have to give our members a chance to discuss and be heard in their own thoughts.

Final officer decisions are made based on majority opinion rather than edict in about 95% of how we do things.

I suggest pinging Zeelot directly, either in game or with a PM on forums, or even coming over to our website and pinging him through there. I don't know that he's aware of this posting, or if a finalized consensus has been reached in guild yet though. If I see him online today, i'll make sure to bring it up to him.

Yep I've contacted them in PM. And indeed, there is no rush. Just giving an update of what's going on. I don't expect any decision coming in the next few hours. But I asked what were their respective opinions and concerns regarding such request to begin with, so as to give it the most chances of success. Most (if not all) cards are in their hands, I've made it clear this can and will be tuned to reach the best concensus.

[Yajirobe Yajipants]

I know what the GMs have said. It won't stop anyone from suggesting it as an improvement upon the current state of affairs. Stick a time limit on a mob, like we had on Ragefire, and move forward. It won't be any bigger of a cluster than it currently is.

[diplo]

i feel the pain to the non tmo/fe. end game is boring which is the reason i switched servers because 3am batphones were getting tiring.

i think if tmo/fe could give up the lesser targets like sev/gorenaire, it wouldn't really affect them that much bc those are the least priority in terms of lewt.

[47shadesofgay]

Loot that matters:

Epic pieces
CoF
BCG
Trak BPs
VS Legs
VP loot
RBB?

I would imagine FE still needs most the things on that list. Rest is just inconsequential or usable by one person.

[arsenalpow]

During TMO's vacation we gave up eveything, I know Div got a brass knuckle off Dojo, other guilds got Trak BPs, plus critical VS, and Fay epic pieces. No one deserves to be blocked from content just because. I'm happy that FE's pressure might have coerced TMO into a rotation but don't fall into the same trap. Breaking the cycle of stupidity should be embraced once that reality is possible, it shouldn't fall back into "well FE needs to get their fill first then we can talk other targets"

Shinko has assured me that FE exists to break the stranglehold of TMO, which is why I don't harbor any ill will towards him splitting off. I guarantee if TMO agreed to a full server rotation FE would be the first one to sign the agreement.