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Old 03-08-2013, 03:03 PM
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Zetas has a monk, Moszetas... camp stealer, incompetent griefer, crybaby extraordinaire ... but also a coward! GM's will run him off just petition
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:05 PM
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^this is what facts look like. Apparently logs are the magic win button. Don't they just output to a txt file? To me that seems easier to manipulate than a screenshot..
You'd have to be pretty damn dedicated to manipulate more than 5-10 seconds of a log file. An active log has a dozen or more entries per second when there is combat going on or OOC or anything. Guides can probably check for accuracy against their own los also, for things said in /ooc or timing and such.
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:35 PM
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You'd have to be pretty damn dedicated to manipulate more than 5-10 seconds of a log file. An active log has a dozen or more entries per second when there is combat going on or OOC or anything. Guides can probably check for accuracy against their own los also, for things said in /ooc or timing and such.
The number of entries doesn't really matter. It's a snap to search a text doc. It takes much more time and dedication to alter a screenshot.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:20 PM
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^this is what facts look like. Apparently logs are the magic win button. Don't they just output to a txt file? To me that seems easier to manipulate than a screenshot..
Logs are not a magic win button. We cannot assume your side of the story is true, and we listen to everyone involved. Logs and Screenshots HELP us when we look at encounter logs etc for KSing issues.

When neither side can provide logs, or screenshots etc... we have to base it off stories. Then it turns into a he said, she said story, which in turn makes it more difficult to really "punish".

I tell people all the time. Change your ini file to have logs on. Delete it once a week (or archive it) so it does not get to big. Its good for you, and its good for us.
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Old 03-09-2013, 04:11 AM
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I tell people all the time. Change your ini file to have logs on. Delete it once a week (or archive it) so it does not get to big. Its good for you, and its good for us.
so how do I do this?
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:00 AM
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so how do I do this?
Located you EQ.ini file. Its in the everquest folder. WHen you open it up there will be a bunch of text.

Somewhere in that line it says Log=FALSE, change FALSE to TRUE, so Log=TRUE. Save the file.

This will turn it on all the time, every time you play any character.

Just a fair warning though, you forget about the log.text file, and then the file gets huge. It does not really bog stuff down, but trying to find something in it may take awhile.

Personally for me, I take my logs every week and save them, normally just rename the .txt file to something like Alovia_March1-9.txt

Then the next time I log on, the log file creates a new txt file with the proper title.

In turn, if you just want logs whenever you NEED them, for example, maybe you want to play it safe with auctions or trade. Everytime your on your trade you can just do /log on, and /log off. If you do it this way, if you forget to /log off, everytime you physically log out of the game or crash, the logs stop.
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Old 03-08-2013, 02:55 PM
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I don't see how there is anything "gross" about outing him. As long as you have definitive proof in the form of screenshots and/or logs, it shouldn't reflect poorly on you at all. Think of it as doing the P99 community a favor.
Mostly because I don't know the guy's story. Sure it's because he has ignored me, but what if he was at that camp for hours, just getting unlucky so he got stir crazy and decided to wander off to kill other goblins out of boredom? Then I'm the one that looks like a jerk who came into the camp and chanced upon Zaharn after only being in the zone for 20 minutes.

In any situation where there's a dispute like that there are always two sides and if that guy's only fault were being antisocial about the entire encounter I wouldn't have any right to complain because that's how he is and chooses to play and that's his right. I'm not going to out someone for that.

The only things I'm agitated about are 1. being ignored by the monk when I was doing my best to stay polite, and 2. having the KS confirmed but having nothing done about it. As someone who doesn't have access to whatever evidence and story he gave the GM I can only take them at their word that they got it right. This isn't appeals court, it's just a forum and I wanted to rant.
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:39 PM
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No one argued it is easier to alter a SS than a log. Probably because that is 99% irrelevant here.

If you produce hundreds of lines of a legit log file backing up your side of the story and send them via PM to a guide, odds are the dude you're up against isn't going to produce hundreds of lines (+1) of illegitimate log file to get you screwed over.


Again. Moral of the story = /log on.
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Old 03-08-2013, 06:44 PM
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I don't know what it is about this server compared to live but I really don't remember people being such enormous pricks about camps back in the day. I've taken so much shit from people here taking over my groups' camps after a wipe and rule-lawyering, or my favorite, a friend of mine who was quadding specs went afk for like ten minutes while he was medding, came back to find some assclown necro or druid or something standing in the camp who proceeds to KS the spawn. Friend tells him to amscray and the guy's response is "I OOC'D AND U SAID NOTHING TO CALL CAMP NO CALL CAMP CAMP MINE," are you shitting me? You can't get up to take a piss or microwave a burrito without some dick imperialising your camp?

I think WoW is to blame. Four or five or whatever years of "there are no camps in WoW" has ruined peoples' ability to respect the fact that someone else was goddamn there first.
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Old 03-08-2013, 06:47 PM
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Through my time playing MMOs what I've learned is that people on the internet IN GENERAL are enormous pricks about everything.

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I don't know what it is about this server compared to live but I really don't remember people being such enormous pricks about camps back in the day. I've taken so much shit from people here taking over my groups' camps after a wipe and rule-lawyering, or my favorite, a friend of mine who was quadding specs went afk for like ten minutes while he was medding, came back to find some assclown necro or druid or something standing in the camp who proceeds to KS the spawn. Friend tells him to amscray and the guy's response is "I OOC'D AND U SAID NOTHING TO CALL CAMP NO CALL CAMP CAMP MINE," are you shitting me? You can't get up to take a piss or microwave a burrito without some dick imperialising your camp?

I think WoW is to blame. Four or five or whatever years of "there are no camps in WoW" has ruined peoples' ability to respect the fact that someone else was goddamn there first.
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