FE knowingly KS's TMO's Trak, Rushes to complete keys and Epics

[Yapas]

Question for GMs & Devs : If by example "I" Ninja loot epic pieces & turn in (when I know at 100% my guild didn't have fte) while GM busy or not online = keep my epic without any problem ?
Imo when people "steals" intentionally loot like FE did on last trakanon, guess temporary ban (imo) should be a good warning to stop this kind of douchebag actions.

[Handull]

Originally Posted by Yapas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question for GMs & Devs : If by example "I" Ninja loot epic pieces & turn in (when I know at 100% my guild didn't have fte) while GM busy or not online = keep my epic without any problem ?
Imo when people "steals" intentionally loot like FE did on last trakanon, guess temporary ban (imo) should be a good warning to stop this kind of douchebag actions.

there is a big difference between getting FTE and ninja looting. There is only a small difference between FTE and KSing. FTE vs KS comes down to intent, and thats hard/impossible to prove, so flame on. ninja looting is not getting the exp kill and looting the mob. when FTE is unclear the precedent is that the exp guild loots and scoots while the other guild petitions.

your question is useless because it implies that the GMs could ever know/prove that you knew you didn't have fte. looting a corpse that your guild didn't get exp on is against the rules everywhere, even in VP so they say.

again whoever gets exp has always just looted and left to do w/e they want to do. once in a while a GM is there for the kill and moves the loot before anyone has time to gate, but generally there is a lag time.

[Zeelot]

The Guide was in Seb standing by Trak corpse, yet the no drop items still got ninja'd in front of the guide. Then they raced for hand ins - even though guide told them explicitly not to go hand them in.

All I hear from fe = excuses, excuses! They just desperate for those keys and epics so they need to try and piggyback off our kills. I understand.

Sloan's dps argument is meaningless, the rules aren't KS group - if they were then it would be relevant. Trak was going to die regardless, FE just decided to provide dps + KS for a chance at free keys and epic. Can someone say, desperation!?

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Guide was in Seb standing by Trak corpse, yet the no drop items still got ninja'd in front of the guide. Then they raced for hand ins - even though guide told them explicitly not to go hand them in.

-Has openly ignored/ignores/will keep ignoring guides and GMs if he 'personaly' disagrees with their decisions
-Expects others to obey Guides/GMs faithfuly.


=- Has never/will never stoped/stop his guild members from turning in no-drop items that were obtained from mobs that required GMs and encounter logs to award FTE (and loot)
=- Demands other to wait.

+=- Enjoys griefing people
+=- Gets griefed in return.


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TMO fast turning into "The boyz who cried wolf"


PS: Stealin, you may have or have not started the fire (and I don't really care which ever was or is) but you sure as fuck fueled the fuck out of it, so much as where once people would torch&pitchfork against FB/IB/DA/TR, have found a common adversary in your faces.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Lorraine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS: Stealin, you may have or have not started the fire (and I don't really care which ever was or is) but you sure as fuck fueled the fuck out of it, so much as where once people would torch&pitchfork against FB/IB/DA/TR, have found a common adversary in your faces.

Things seem exactly the same as they did ages ago. Just move all the guild tags around.

Only difference is that there really aren't two equal raid forces going at each other on all fronts. This will change when FE starts killing dragons in VP, at which point everything will be exactly like it was.

[Yapas]

Originally Posted by Handull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there is a big difference between getting FTE and ninja looting. There is only a small difference between FTE and KSing. FTE vs KS comes down to intent, and thats hard/impossible to prove, so flame on. ninja looting is not getting the exp kill and looting the mob. when FTE is unclear the precedent is that the exp guild loots and scoots while the other guild petitions.

your question is useless because it implies that the GMs could ever know/prove that you knew you didn't have fte. looting a corpse that your guild didn't get exp on is against the rules everywhere, even in VP so they say.

again whoever gets exp has always just looted and left to do w/e they want to do. once in a while a GM is there for the kill and moves the loot before anyone has time to gate, but generally there is a lag time.

OK ! so why turn in directly Epic with guts so fast and not waiting GM decision ? It is clear as water.. FE intentionally made that because they know GM's will probably not remove Epic...
If it was a TMO who got epic like that, ALL FE , Iran & probably North Korea already over aggro us.

I really hope a strong decision from GM, because this kind of shit is not acceptable

[Handull]

Originally Posted by Yapas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK ! so why turn in directly Epic with guts so fast and not waiting GM decision ? It is clear as water.. FE intentionally made that because they know GM's will probably not remove Epic...
If it was a TMO who got epic like that, ALL FE , Iran & probably North Korea already over aggro us.

I really hope a strong decision from GM, because this kind of shit is not acceptable

actually no. i've had a gm give me no drop raid loot and when i asked if the other guild lost the item they said no, it was already turned in so here's a new one for you, too much trouble to figure out which items to return to that person while taking away their epic, grats for them and you. (not a direct quote.) i didn't make a big shit show about it nor has anyone else. many of the early trak kills FE got were an FTE race decided later by a GM. in those cases tmo walked away with the loot and no one cared what they did with it. we knew the dropable stuff was returned to us and that we were given our teeth, but zero fucks were given about how many alts tmo vp key'd with the teeth they looted.

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Guide was in Seb standing by Trak corpse, yet the no drop items still got ninja'd in front of the guide. Then they raced for hand ins - even though guide told them explicitly not to go hand them in.

All I hear from fe = excuses, excuses! They just desperate for those keys and epics so they need to try and piggyback off our kills. I understand.

Sloan's dps argument is meaningless, the rules aren't KS group - if they were then it would be relevant. Trak was going to die regardless, FE just decided to provide dps + KS for a chance at free keys and epic. Can someone say, desperation!?

second or third time this claim has been made. i assume someone in tmo had fraps running, so post a SS already and prove that FE looted when the GM said not to.

[SamwiseRed]

just make seb a no gm intervention zone

[Yapas]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just make seb a no gm intervention zone

ahah

[Nizzarr]

It's about time they let people KS eachother and deal with their own poop.