TMO wipes on Trak, FE logs in and kills

[Tanthallas]

Read what I quoted from you again.

Zerg is a relative term, not an absolute. It implies using far more than necessary to achieve success within a GIVEN environment. You seem to think that you can pretend the environment does not exist, as if this were classic EQ raiding.

To achieve success on this server in terms of endgame raiding, what could be considered a zerg in classic EQ is necessary here. That does not make the encounters less challenging, it simply shifts the aspect of the encounter that is challenging. Getting a clean engage and mobilization are the challenging aspects of raiding here, NOT killing shit.

[Splorf22]

No, zerg is an absolute term because the strength of the mobs doesn't change. For example in your video on the home page everyone just charges in and fights Trakanon and the protector at the same time. I'm guessing a skilled and well-geared force could kill Trakanon with 15 instead of 35. When I was in VD we would charge CT in the same retarded way and all the enchanters/bards would attempt to CC the whole zone as he summoned them. CT is probably doable with 10 rather than 30+ if those 10 clear the zone first. My point is that with the way the raid scene works, there simply isn't time to do anything fancy, so everyone just relies on numbers and gear rather than any type of strategy. Hence the term zerg. But yes, I agree it is just about the only way to kill stuff on project 1999. Personally I just don't enjoy it which is why I left VD.

P.S. I have to say I'm a little surprised you guys are so feisty over what is basically a favorable comparison to you

[dragonfists]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CT is probably doable with 10 rather than 30+ if those 10 clear the zone first. My point is that with the way the raid scene works, there simply isn't time to do anything fancy, so everyone just relies on numbers and gear rather than any type of strategy. Hence the term zerg. But yes, I agree it is just about the only way to kill stuff on project 1999. Personally I just don't enjoy it which is why I left VD.

This is true

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think many in FE here are just fiesty because FE has been the underdog and has been shit on by TMO for the past few months. So not a big fan and now that we're turning the tide you're right, we do require the warm bodies to kill and most all encounters are rush-to-kill. I guess the difference in what you're saying is zerg is a undefined # of players in that rush-to-kill. FE has killed mobs w/ a minimal raid force before (gg 4am pop's) and so has TMO. But both have the member base now to get more than whats necessary to kill a mob. We still despise TMO as a guild and we also dislike the current culture on the server. So by your steps you would put us at step 6. But IF we follow 7 and 8 is another story. We would have to be greedy a-holes once TMO is gone to try to muscle out every other lower guild. I am pretty confident once TMO is gone there will be some talks about how to make the server better with the guilds as we already have tried to do in the past.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by dragonfists [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is true

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think many in FE here are just fiesty because FE has been the underdog and has been shit on by TMO for the past few months. So not a big fan and now that we're turning the tide you're right, we do require the warm bodies to kill and most all encounters are rush-to-kill. I guess the difference in what you're saying is zerg is a undefined # of players in that rush-to-kill. FE has killed mobs w/ a minimal raid force before (gg 4am pop's) and so has TMO. But both have the member base now to get more than whats necessary to kill a mob. We still despise TMO as a guild and we also dislike the current culture on the server. So by your steps you would put us at step 6. But IF we follow 7 and 8 is another story. We would have to be greedy a-holes once TMO is gone to try to muscle out every other lower guild. I am pretty confident once TMO is gone there will be some talks about how to make the server better with the guilds as we already have tried to do in the past.

Objection. The counsel is speculating. He cant possible predict the future "if" (and thats a big "if") FE were to become the top guild on the server

[Servellious]

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P.S. I have to say I'm a little surprised you guys are so feisty over what is basically a favorable comparison to you[/QUOTE]

its because people like you and alawen who act as arm chair managers on RNF but are part of nothing you speak for, like p99 raiding. Spare me stories about your past, sound like a fat old high school qb bragging about what was done 15 years ago.

[Mortiiss]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S. I have to say I'm a little surprised you guys are so feisty over what is basically a favorable comparison to you

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you can't really be that much more skilled than the next guy, unless you are in the A-Team).

I'm feisty over the high horse you sit atop. You're such a big deal, aren't you? Lol.

Everyone needs to sleep at night though, so its ok. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Mortiiss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm feisty over the high horse you sit atop. You're such a big deal, aren't you? Lol.

Everyone needs to sleep at night though, so its ok. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have never seen you make a comment that was not trite, witless, and borderline illiterate.

[arsenalpow]

FE is a zerg guild but there's nothing wrong with that. If the goal is to take targets from TMO then you have to zerg it up - fight fire with fire. TMO pulls 40 at 4am then FE needs to be able to do the same. The best way to facilitate that is to mass invite. If your batphone can pull 18-24 at any time of the day to go along with the 18-24 already in game you should always have the ability to compete for targets.

TMO/FE what is a fair yield from a batphone during off hours? Like 20% of the roster?

[Mortiiss]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have never seen you make a comment that was not trite, witless, and borderline illiterate.

And no one likes you.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point is that with the way the raid scene works, there simply isn't time to do anything fancy, so everyone just relies on numbers and gear rather than any type of strategy. Hence the term zerg.

Try killing CT without strategy with another guild in the zone at the same time that wants to do the same, then talk to me about strategy.

Fact of the matter is you care only about the difficulty of mobs under conditions where very little tactics or strategy is even necessary. Tactics and strategy are at their height when you cannot completely control the situations because another brain which you cannot read is trying to do the same - it is not being able to solo shit with puppet strings, bladestoppers, root nets, or whatever else plat can buy you, with only a regard for yourself and mechanics that you are well aware of.