FTE shouts

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But how long would it take you to remove something that you've already admitted favors a certain subset of players? 6 months? 7? another three years?



This holds no water. 3+ years of the original variance that never worked and now you two (you've given the nod on this, as you two discussed it) to add another variance on top of it, which itself has been around for another 5 months.

You can claim you dislike it and that the additional variance sucks, but ultimately it's still here and has been here for the vast majority this server has been up. While I appreciate your sentiment, it's fruitless unless it's addressed. The patch notes say one thing (keep adding variance) while your forum posts say you dislike it and think it should be done away with. I agree with your forum posts, but who the hell gives a shit when the patch notes state the exact opposite? Unless it's RnF, we're not playing on the forums.



You've given the nod on this stuff, Nilbog. It's not like he went behind your back to implement it. 'Do whatever you want' only works provided there aren't screwups in the decision-making process, yet there's clearly been quite a few screwups in the decision-making process. In the end it makes both of you look bad.

The issue with FTE is that it isn't a step in the forward direction, but rather a step to the side that by itself does nothing to improve the situation. Coupled with the fact that there are blatant holes in the implementation and the other 'what in the hell were they thinking?' patches, one can only think of what's been ignored for seemingly an eternity would've been the better approach here. But hey, we've got FTE, right?

Again, this thread is not about variance. You seem to think you know everything without asking me, or believing what I say, so why should I change your mind or respond to the rhetoric?

It is naive to assume you know perfectly how everything should work; I will say that. You should go to one of the variance threads and make a proposal of what you think should be done. If you have already done so, bump it. You will see a % of people agree with you, a % of people won't, a % of people read and don't post, and a % of people don't care whatsoever. There is a subset of the pvp server that is actually requesting variance, because of what no-variance does, even when they can resolve raids without gm intervention (pvp). Think about it. The rest of the gaming industry instituted instances for a reason - you can't please everyone.

Essentially, I tried to do something good with limited time. I have spent more time replying to this than instituting the fte shouts, so I'm not going to do so anymore.

Leave this thread for fte shouts. If you have a problem with fte shouts, talk about fte shouts. Fte shouts.

[Nlaar]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't perform GM duties nor pay the folks who do.. so you won't see me forcing that upon them, especially when Rogean is in charge of csr. Go ahead and blame me if you need, because it certainly says project manager beneath my name. If you have a problem with content, you come right to me, ok?

Wait so GMs are paid (emphasis added)? Was that just an expression or have I been that clueless this entire time?

[nilbog]

It clearly says "I don't perform gm duties nor pay the folks who do" [perform gm duties].

Meaning, I don't perform that role, nor is anyone paid to perform that role. This isn't a business and I'm not forcing someone to babysit above and beyond the call of a volunteer position.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Nlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait so GMs are paid (emphasis added)? Was that just an expression or have I been that clueless this entire time?

A sad day for reading comprehension.

[xarzzardorn]

Originally Posted by Writ3r [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You act as if you are the one to discuss with or please, when that isn't the case unless we are all missing something here. I guess i wouldn't be surprised though since your random idea gets slid in under Nilbog's nose.

I was here on this server raiding far before you were even up to raid level, back when it was truly classic timing. Raid scene was much better and there were far less targets. It wasn't until a change in the people through rules lawyering and other corruptive tactics inspired by variance which in turn has killed the scene/attitude here forever.

Simply said it is beyond repair due to the people it caters to and inspires to prosper, it is a flawed system always has been always will be.

so what youre saying is you have nothing useful to contribute. we already knew that