Luclin

[iifetap]

I really hate reviving old threads and I'll sure a lot of people don't wanna see this thread, but the servers are down right now and I'm bored waiting for them to come back up, so I'm going to post anyway.

Luclin was my favorite expansion. It's probably because I just started playing a few weeks before it came out, but even then it was probably over 1-2 months (started a necro) before I was even able to teleport up there and get groups and get back to the grind. Their is a whole lot of crying about how it killed travel, but you are forgetting something, the devs for this server are capable of changing how the books work, they could remove all of the books from the starting areas and just leave a couple books around. The devs could also disable beastmaster and vah shir, so those wouldn't be a problem. Since there is also a lot of whining about how much quicker you level.......really? You don't think the devs could just destroy the ZEM for the new zones and make them on par with the rest of Norrath? I loved the bazaar (and the arena inside of it), I loved AA's, I loved mounts (Something the devs could also remove if its not what the people want).

If I wasn't so tired from lack of sleep (renewed addiction to EverCrack!) I would probably have more things to add in, but eh.

Edit: Even with all the new stuff that Luclin brought, I (and MANY MANY OTHERS) still wen't back to Kunark and Velious to have fun. I spent MONTHS (6+) playing around in cabilis.

[Weekapaug]

Loved Luclin. Loved PoP, too.

I'm here because I love EverQuest. Loved every era and expansion thru DoN, aside from GoD, and I didn't hate TSS....Wasn't crazy about it, but didn't hate it.

Loved classic. Loved Kunark and Velious. But I loved Luclin also. Ssra is one of my favorite zones in the game. Lower Guk take 3, after actual Lower Guk and OS. But with raid content added and snakes instead of frogs and the cycles were awesome. The itemization was pretty spiffy too. Clickys anyone? The spells some classes got were fantastic. You actually started seeing some true balance in classes with Luclin. And BSTs are pretty cool.

And AA is the shit. You can do things for your toon with AA that no gear can. And instead of shitting up the game for legit newbies who want to actually experience content at their level the way it was intended with 10,000 level 10 epiced rogues in funghis like we have here on p99, people at max level have something to do....At their own level.

In case you couldn't tell, no, I don't subscribe to the notion that classic thru velious was this pristine holy experience and everything after was complete shit. Don't get me wrong, I love the classic era and missed it for a long time. But that's largely nostalgia. EQ, in all of it's eras, has always been amazing. I've kind of been itching to go back to live for a while, even tho it's been like 5 or 6 years.

Sorry the pok books ruined being able to sell ports in EC to people. Bigger fish to fry.

Bring on Luclin. And bring on PoP, too. And I say that as someone who started the game April 99 and had 90 days /played on his main when it hit it's first birthday.

[t0lkien]

Luclin had some good bits, but broke the game. I know it's been said before, but just dropping that bomb here again.

I understand people liking it. However, that doesn't change that it was like the night of sex that led to a HIV diagnosis. The sex may have been good, but it wasn't anywhere near worth the result.

[iifetap]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Luclin had some good bits, but broke the game. I know it's been said before, but just dropping that bomb here again.

I understand people liking it. However, that doesn't change that it was like the night of sex that led to a HIV diagnosis. The sex may have been good, but it wasn't anywhere near worth the result.

Well, considering people with HIV/AIDS live full lives now........

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by iifetap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, considering people with HIV/AIDS live full lives now........

Well, let's not push the analogy past its intended meaning...

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by iifetap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, considering people with HIV/AIDS live full lives now........

Exactly.

There was no "beginning of the end." There was no "end" at all. There might have been a beginning of the end or an end for YOU, but the game is still played, in current live content, by thousands of people.

You people do realize that there are level 100s on live now that started their toons on day 1 in March 99, don't you?

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly.

There was no "beginning of the end." There was no "end" at all. There might have been a beginning of the end or an end for YOU, but the game is still played, in current live content, by thousands of people.

You people do realize that there are level 100s on live now that started their toons on day 1 in March 99, don't you?

I don't understand you Luclin+ apologists. If it's what you want, why are you here on p99 reliving classic?

Luclin *did* break the game, in so many ways, and it has been pointed out in many threads before this. There are always people who don't feel that, or don't mind, or actually like the massive mudflation and absurd lack of context, and ultimate destruction of the clear class distinction that made EQ great. That's fine. But this server exists for those who did mind, or we'd all be on that abortive hybrid that Live has become.

So why do you want to change this into that? It's perplexing.

Thankfully Nilbog seems to be pretty single minded about p99 staying classic.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand you Luclin+ apologists. If it's what you want, why are you here on p99 reliving classic? You guys are really a study in irony.

Luclin *did* break the game, in so many ways, and it has been pointed out in many threads before this. There are always people who don't feel that, or don't mind, or actually like the massive mudflation and absurd lack of context, and ultimate destruction of class distinction that made the game great. That's fine. But this server exists for those who did mind, or we'd all be on that abortive hybrid that Live has become.

So why do you want to change this into that? It's perplexing.

Thankfully Nilbog seems to be pretty single minded about this staying classic.

I'm a "Luclin+ apologist"? Made me LOL. Like it's some kind of political movement or something. Please. We are talking about a computer game. I'm an EverQuest player, my friend, and have been since April 11, 1999. You? I had been gaming for roughly 20 years at that point. You?

I've played a lot of games, types of games, and genres (we used to not have "genres' by the way, just good games and bad ones) since the 1970's, including text MUDs on a mainframe, and EQ is the standout. It is STILL the standout. In ALL of its forms. THAT is why I'm here. I love the classic era. But I also love most of the expansions that came after, as well. Why is that so hard to understand?

Again, I loved the classic era. Missed it for quite a long time and this server has gone a long way towards scratching that itch. I have nothing but the HIGHEST respect for this project and the intent behind it....really isn't pertainent to this discussion. But the idea that the game was "broken" afterwards is complete bollocks. You just didn't like it. Or missed it completely and it's just cooler to dis it, especially here. Christ, entire CLASSES were broken during the classic era and were fixed later, yet people are so caught up in nostalgia that they don't see that as a problem. I was there. And I was there for quite a few years after. Every era has had its positives and negatives, but has ALL been good, in my opinion. I'm sorry that you disagree. But, please don't confuse nostalgia or your comfort zone with quality.

By way of an example, you know what you could do during OoW and DoN? You could play a paladin, a ranger or a shadowknight and have a specific role on raids. A role that called for YOU, your class, not something just to fill the "role," (although EQ, being EQ you could work around that just like during classic) with specific buffs and abilities to go with it. You know what you couldn't do? MQ epics. You *gasp* EARNED your 1.5 and 2.0. Not farm shit till you could buy a MQ. EARNED it. But, to listen to some of you people, that's all meaningless since you could also click a book and get to where you needed to be a bit faster. OH THE HORROR! Faster travel breaks a game with (what are we up to?) 19 expansions worth of content! An almost 15 year old game got inflated! OMG it's broken! Give me a fucking break. You could start a new character on EQ live today and not even be close to maxing out that character's gear and ability set for years. You can level up, get your AA and get by and be viable a lot sooner, but maxed? No way. How about in Velious? This server has been live for just over 3 years and there are people with multiple maxed out toons and, from what it seems, are currently maxing out low level alts. See my point?

Personally, I think what this boils down to is a lot of people got left in the dust in Luclin and PoP and beyond, took off for WoW (probably after they pissed and moaned about how hard EQ is), got burned because it truly sucks, and now they are back clinging to this notion that the classic era was this perfectly pristine experience, while projecting what they experienced in WoW and the newer games that they CHOSE to play instead of EQ as how EQ wound up. Yet, they haven't logged on live and experienced it themselves in years. It's ridiculous. I have friends from classic EQ who have played WoW since release who still dis EQ in the same way. As if they have a fucking clue.

Don't get me wrong. I'm perfectly comfortable with this server not going beyond Velious, as that's the stated purpose of the server. And I love it here. But we are having a discussion here and the discussion is about would players like to see Luclin. I vote yes. Vote no if you want, but spare me the "Luclin broke the game" horseshit, please.

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand you Luclin+ apologists. If it's what you want, why are you here on p99 reliving classic?

It is possible to like both. Frankly, I think the Vah Shir and later the Frogloks were two of the best player races of the game, of all time.

I completely do not understand the complaint that going to the moon took anything away from the fantasy aspect. Everything about the game was still deeply rooted in fantasy. Nothing was remotely scifi.

You actually think "mudflation" is a good complaint in support of P99? LOL!!! P99's mudflation is much worse precisely because it has become mired in the past. Velious is only going to be a brief (and it will be extremely brief), temporary fix before it become hopelessly mired again. The only thing that's going to save P99 is that the population is much, much smaller. Live EQ needed every single bit that Luclin brought (even the Bazaar). The only other alternative was to just end the game, but that would have been a mistake.

IMO, the only Luclin mistake was not having Luclin involve more of the Qeynos/Odus part of the world.

And generally, I found Velious to be the most boring expansion up to GoD.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Luclin had some good bits, but broke the game.

No, it inflated the game. There's a difference. You may or may not like that, but it is a different thing entirely.