Drama

[soup]

Originally Posted by Dantes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How come you didn't just send a tell to somebody in that group?

/tell groupmember Gonna zone so my pet can regen, still taking the mob, brb kthnxbai

That can go both ways.

Why didn't they send a tell to see whats up before moving in?
"Hey, what are you doing? We're here waiting and ready to go?"
if he's being sketchy and they're questioning the deal now, they could even say like "Whats going on? If you aren't here in 2 minutes we're going in"

there's a ton of better ways to handle it aside from just plowing on in.

[Alawen Everywhere]

I just reread the original post and it's got two serious problems. He claims to have "broken" the camp, but then there's a full respawn to deal with all at once. What he calls "breaking" I call clearing a minimum to get to the ph. I'm going to call this lie #1.

He then claims he zoned and was back in 20 seconds. I find that extremely hard to believe unless he was bound right at king.

He claims that there is nothing he could do except zone the pet for regen. As pointed out already, this claim is completely untrue. Lie #2.

Finally, this is far from an indisputable conflict. There are definitely two sides here and the OP came here with the intention of smearing the reputations of Divinity and the specifically named members. His name is in the mud right along with them now just as it should be.

He made a deal and had his chance. He wanted chance after chance. OP is fail.

[Deeps]

IMO, I think its lame that 2 or 3 classes and 6 people get to solo the six good camps in the zone, I think solo'ers should have to step aside for group s of 4 or more, but, that really has nothing to do with this i guess.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Deeps [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMO, I think its lame that 2 or 3 classes and 6 people get to solo the six good camps in the zone, I think solo'ers should have to step aside for group s of 4 or more, but, that really has nothing to do with this i guess.

It's not like we didn't know that this time around. We have no one to blame but ourselves for choosing the classes that we did. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Deeps [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMO, I think its lame that 2 or 3 classes and 6 people get to solo the six good camps in the zone, I think solo'ers should have to step aside for group s of 4 or more, but, that really has nothing to do with this i guess.

I think we all know that enchanters that tried this on live were called "dead". There's this weird idea that no one stacked charisma and no one knew how to charm that apparently allows this situation to continue. Can you even imagine charming and hasting a planar mob on live? It would wipe your entire raid after a couple mez resists.

The best explanation I've seen for this situation is Uuae's theory that resists are calculated as a percentage of 400 rather than as a percentage of 250 or whatever they're supposed to be. This would be consistent with how easily I land druid and cleric nukes even on red cons. On live, the druid nukes with debuff components never landed on anything worth killing, they were just a good way to go oom.

Now watch, druid and cleric nukes will get nerfed, but charm will continue as is. :P

[Stepy]

"IMO, I think its lame that 2 or 3 classes and 6 people get to solo the six good camps in the zone, I think solo'ers should have to step aside for group s of 4 or more, but, that really has nothing to do with this i guess."

I believe the opposite if it can be done solo then the group should leave and find suitable group camps. ;P [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Alawen Everywhere]

This story has gotten tiresome. Soup is the only one arguing pro-soloist and his logic, analogies and arguments are all terrible. Going to pride parade and Alice in the park, bye!

[ClamSmasher22]

It was a poor agreement. If you only wanted one spawn and would release the camp, why wouldn't they help you do it? It would get you out of there much faster and they could move back to what they were doing. It's because they were hoping you would fail and they would then take it. Seems obvious to me, agreement or not.

It's not surprising to me that they moved in after you zoned. I've had people take camps after my group wiped. Sometimes it gets out of hand, everyone dies/gates then goes back down. I would be pissed if someone else was already there, -especially- if was one person soling instead of a group getting exp.

I'd do the same thing. Except I wouldn't make an agreement, I'd call you an ass and tell you I hope you fail.

Then I would /t lol when you zoned and my group would move in.

[soup]

Originally Posted by ClamSmasher22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was a poor agreement. If you only wanted one spawn and would release the camp, why wouldn't they help you do it? It would get you out of there much faster and they could move back to what they were doing. It's because they were hoping you would fail and they would then take it. Seems obvious to me, agreement or not.

It's not surprising to me that they moved in after you zoned. I've had people take camps after my group wiped. Sometimes it gets out of hand, everyone dies/gates then goes back down. I would be pissed if someone else was already there, -especially- if was one person soling instead of a group getting exp.

I'd do the same thing. Except I wouldn't make an agreement, I'd call you an ass and tell you I hope you fail.

Then I would /t lol when you zoned and my group would move in.

This would be way more reasonable than making a deal and then just tossing it out. Either say fuck off we aren't offering a thing, or make a deal and stick to it. You think he would have zoned to regen his pet if the group said "fuck off" to his deal? No, he would have sat right there, knowing they would move in otherwise. Instead they made a deal, he made the mistake of thinking they wouldn't be shady about it, so he decides to zone to regen the pet because it's quicker. Then he comes back to find they were in fact being shady.

[President]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This would be way more reasonable than making a deal and then just tossing it out. Either say fuck off we aren't offering a thing, or make a deal and stick to it. You think he would have zoned to regen his pet if the group said "fuck off" to his deal? No, he would have sat right there, knowing they would move in otherwise. Instead they made a deal, he made the mistake of thinking they wouldn't be shady about it, so he decides to zone to regen the pet because it's quicker. Then he comes back to find they were in fact being shady.

I really don't see how letting someone zone while they are attempting to clear a camp TWICE is shady. It seems pretty clear also he did not let the group know of his near-exploit strategy to take the camp either. The fact the group let him zone twice before deciding he obviously couldn't hold the camp properly is pretty nice of them, and It was even nicer of them that they let him roll on the sword which he lost.

But that's pretty cool of you Mr. Enchanter to not believe that a full group was doing a CR and taking a mith 2h for your alt/sale over someones main.