Raiding - Lets Face It

[G13]

FFA really isn't that bad. EQ was a society built by the players. That means chaos or order, it was ultimately the players that shaped the nature of the server. Eventually it will work itself out, but nothing will change if an outside source is playing judge and jury. It should be handled amongst the players.

FFA would be a complete disaster

People would just sit on the spawns with bards running AOE dmg songs

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FFA would be a complete disaster

People would just sit on the spawns with bards running AOE dmg songs

Then they would most likely die, how can you expect a raid force to sit on top of a mob's spawn point with 96 hour variance and remain fully buffed and prepared the entire time? Even then, how many would it require for them to survive the surprise of this type of situation?

While one guild did that, other guilds would sit back a little bit and watch the first wipe.

I'm not saying FFA would totally destroy camping, but it would certainly cut back on it.

[Rael]

Originally Posted by Cars [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE GUILD THAT COULD DROP ALL 6 RAID TARGETS SIMULTANEOUSLY. So on every server refresh Multiple guilds would get chances at Raid targets.

Not every raid guild can mobilize a raidforce at a moment's notice, so your scenario of every raid guild going after a different boss after a server reset is unrealistic. What would more likely happen is one or two guilds would plough through all of them sequentially while the other guilds slept/worked.

[nicemace]

patch day races were an added bonus ontop of the already existing raid system.

what you are asking for is fixed spawn times every week. so lets say saturday or sunday will be raid day and thats it for the week. sounds pretty dull.

[guineapig]

I'll see if I can come up with a proper script with working syntax over the next couple days but a lot of people are misquoting the original idea and confusing others with it.

When we say "simulated" we mean that the server wouldn't actually be brought down in order for this to happen and in fact the script wouldn't even run when the server is brought up after a patch.

The idea is to have a script tied just to the 6 raid mobs that are currently on the spawn variance timer.

So when 1 raid boss spawns the script checks to see if any other raid bosses are up.
If no other bosses are up it rolls a random number (say 1-6 for example).
If the correct number lands then the script spawns the other five raid bosses.
The script then goes into a cooldown state once this has been triggered (say 6 days for example).

This means that each boss has a small chance of popping the other bosses as well but it's pretty much guaranteed to never happen more than once a week if that. This also would not do away with spawn variance as all the bosses would still keep their original timers while the scrip is in cooldown mode or whenever the correct number isn't rolled.

No bringing down the servers, no threat of exploits. No respawning entire zones or anything crazy like that. It can all happen while people are in the game.

It forces guilds to go back to their old tracking methods. Sure they could sit and camp Vox for 2 days straight, but if everyone is in Perma and every other raid boss happens to pop at the same time as Vox that day then that guild is going to have to choose a target... maybe 2 at the most. The other targets will be raced for by other guilds.

Like I said, people misqote the idea and it doesn't even matter till I get some actual sample code up in here. I'll see what i can come up with.

(THIS POST IS NOT HERE TO BUG THE DEVS, it's here to clarify things to the people who keep posting threads about this to know what the hell they are talking about.)

[Bumamgar]

Why would we want raid targets to respawn more frequently?

[girth]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would we want raid targets to respawn more frequently?

Because they did on live, and here we have even more competition over said mobs then there was on live. Sorry the answer just seems PAINFULLY obvious here.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would we want raid targets to respawn more frequently?

If you look at the odds of the script:

With the cooldown in place it would guarantee that you have a minimum of 6 days before it even has a chance to trigger again. And each mob only has a 1 in 6 chance of triggering the script. Odds are this repop of all bosses wouldn't happen more than once every week or 2 at best. I would even go as far as to say just have Inny, CT, Vox and Naggy using the script and leave out Maestro and Dracho. Hell, you can make the random number anything you want if you still thing the event would happen too often.

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by girth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because they did on live, and here we have even more competition over said mobs then there was on live. Sorry the answer just seems PAINFULLY obvious here.

There's a huge difference between patch-day repops on Live and this:

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you look at the odds of the script:

With the cooldown in place it would guarantee that you have a minimum of 6 days before it even has a chance to trigger again. And each mob only has a 1 in 6 chance of triggering the script. Odds are this repop of all bosses wouldn't happen more than once every week or 2 at best. I would even go as far as to say just have Inny, CT, Vox and Naggy using the script and leave out Maestro and Dracho. Hell, you can make the random number anything you want if you still thing the event would happen too often.

Based on patch notes (not all of which necessarily resulted in a server restart, but we can assume most did), Verant patched approximately once every 2 weeks in 2000.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Based on patch notes (not all of which necessarily resulted in a server restart, but we can assume most did), Verant patched approximately once every 2 weeks in 2000.

Agreed, obviously the number would need to be tweaked so that the average closely meshes with how often this would happen on live.

I was thinking:
1 in 6 chance,
4 rolls every 5 days (one roll per boss on the day that boss spawns per the current variance)
6 day cooldown once it happens
would work out to be once every a week and a half to 2 weeks on average

But this could be off by a little.