Remove Hybrid Penalty

[Nirgon]

These colors don't run

(Ranger being able to harmony in Karnor and other outdoor dungeons and zones along with track on a reported no MQ box, real useless)

[Nirgon]

Oh yeah Unrest and crushbone.

Are they good pvp zones? Does harmony work there? Rangers terribad.

[Potus]

Verant admitted it was a mistake and corrected it. And yes, in the beta you had evidence that hybrids were more powerful than the classes they were based upon and thus there was the penalty. Of course that changed very, very quickly.

I was shocked the server launched with race/class penalties because they didn't make much sense, and besides staring at the book were probably the most unpopular thing about "classic" EQ.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Verant admitted it was a mistake and corrected it. And yes, in the beta you had evidence that hybrids were more powerful than the classes they were based upon and thus there was the penalty. Of course that changed very, very quickly.

I was shocked the server launched with race/class penalties because they didn't make much sense, and besides staring at the book were probably the most unpopular thing about "classic" EQ.

Show me where they admitted it was a mistake?

There are posts by Brad and company saying they always thought the PvP servers were the most interesting, those can be found I'm sure.

I knew a wide range of play styles on RZ, some casual, some hardcore... some hardcore pvp, some hardcore pve. At no point was any one wishing item loot was removed, and I shook a lot of hands and kissed a lot of babies to move up that guild ladder. Not one complaint.

Now... the blue server on the other hand.. they wish this server never existed, wish EQ PvP never existed.. well fine.


It was in an email to Searyx:

Thank you for the email and kind words- Bacon is the food of gods (I always wanted to make bacon be a rare drop off of Cazic).

We're well on our way in crafting our next big gaming project, but we should have a quiet and relaxing holiday season.

-- Red99 sounds fun, I always loved the PvP servers the best. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
-Brad

You will not insult that man and what he created btw.

HE WROTE A FUCKING SMILEY FACE TOO, K?

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Show me where they admitted it was a mistake?

There are posts by Brad and company saying they always thought the PvP servers were the most interesting, those can be found I'm sure.

I knew a wide range of play styles on RZ, some casual, some hardcore... some hardcore pvp, some hardcore pve. At no point was any one wishing item loot was removed, and I shook a lot of hands and kissed a lot of babies to move up that guild ladder. Not one complaint.

Now... the blue server on the other hand.. they wish this server never existed, wish EQ PvP never existed.. well fine.


It was in an email to Searyx:


You will not insult that man and what he created btw.

HE WROTE A FUCKING SMILEY FACE TOO, K?

Brad and his Vision were fucking lame. Guy lucked into something and had no clue what to do with it. I know some of the people here are retarded and like to praise some of the fucking terrible features of classic EQ as amazing and what not, such as this the Hybrid Penalty, but the vast majority of us recognize them for what they were/are, dumb.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Brad and his Vision were fucking lame.

had no clue what to do with it.

I know some of the people here are retarded

fucking terrible features of classic EQ

majority of us recognize them for what they were/are, dumb.

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[heartbrand]

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Ya the thousands of people in classic who rallied against Hybrid Penalties and eventually got it changed and the hundreds here on the forums who keep saying over and over again how dumb they are, are all apparently wrong.

[Vile]

Remove hybrid pentalty and increase XP rates immensely to 45 imo... pop will go nuts

[Rettii]

Heartbrand always getting a disapproving head shake but never takes a hint

[heartbrand]

Brad is the same guy who lied to the playerbase saying things like "paladin epic is in game" when it actually wasn't, "alchemy is working pals" when it wasn't coded yet, etc. etc. Did you guys not see the debacle that was Vanguard? Did everyone here forget about how awful Luclin was? Do people here really forget all the bugs that existed in classic EQ that Brad simply refused to admit? What about the awful imbalances that existed? Remember how druids and shamans couldn't get groups in classic (where there were long lists for every camp so you couldn't just go lol go solo newb cuz everything was camped) because they had no ability to heal end game? It took until velious to finally give them somewhat of a heal for them to be able to help. The aggro issues with rangers / rogues, rangers being fucking useless, monks being gods until Luclin, hybrid EXP penalty, etc., etc. I guess some people think the class imbalance was an amazing feature of classic EQ and love it, but those of us who played back then remember how awful this was and how lolworthy it was to see the 10000+ post threads with everyone agreeing how awful many of these things were and "The Vision" being mentioned over and over again, only to in almost every single instance have The Vision ultimately be over turned by more competent game designers.

Velious wasn't the pinnacle of EQ because Monks were imbalanced gods, it was because of a compelling storyline, different faction options with differing risk v reward, great itemization, immersive quests etc. People here keep confusing the awesome features this game had such as the interdependence classes had upon one another, the social aspect of the game, the immersive qualities, etc., etc., with the annoyances, imbalances, etc, and want to somehow claim these same very broken features that people rightfully moaned and bitched about back in 2000 are somehow amazing classic aspects now. Get real.

People, well most people, aren't here on Project 1999 because they think back with fond memories of that great hybrid exp penalty or the awful classic UI, not having a compass, item links not existing, etc., they come here because the gameplay from Classic - Velious was a shit load of fun, and EverQuest with it's non-instancing, contested raid targets, smallish world where people rely upon one another, important reputations etc., is immersive as fuck.


Edit: Here's a typical post from allakhazam about the effect of hybrid penalties back then:

1) Hybrid classes had the largest penalties of any group. It was rated at about 50-60%(Far above the originally list 25%) and the hybrid penalty also ended up extending to anyone the hybrid was GROUPED with. Once this became common knowledge hybrids couldn't get groups and people stopped playing them till they removed the penalty. They said they had to actually CREATE experience to compensate for the penalty actually meaning you got more experience for a kill to make up for the penalty so as to balance it out to being no penalty(that's about how they explained it at the time).

Sounds kind of similar to how hybrids are treated here.