If red were to ever be restarted, would you support PvP teams?

[Ebony]

Originally Posted by Ebony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A team PVP server would be AWESOME!!

I agree with everyone that 3 hard coded teams is best. Evil/Neut/Good. And things like resists have to work well.

IMHO the #1 thing you HAVE to get right from the start (And a place where sony FAILED big time) is team balance.

I think the races are set up PERFECT for three team balance.

Evil = Troll, Dark Elf, Iksar, Gnome + All Human

Neut = Ogre, Erudite, Half Elf, Halfling + All Human

Good = Barbarian, High Elf, Wood Elf, Dwarf + All Humans


1. Each team has ALL classes

Proverbs28's idea of having Humans on every team is Perfect for this

2. Each team has 5 races

3. Each team has it's very own look and feel and home lands

4. Each team has a Large Tank Race

Evil = Troll
Neut = Ogre
Good = Barbarian

5. Each team has a Short Race

Evil = Gnome
Neut = Halfling
Good = Dwarf

6. Each Team Has an Elf Race

Evil = Dark Elves
Neut = Half Elves
Good = High Elves

7. Each team has a Human Race

Evil = Human
Neut = Erudite
Good = Barbarian

I think a server with this kind of team setup would be perfect!

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why try to make up some team system when SZ already had the best one in place? SZ not only provided hard coded teams but the teams fit in with the lore of EQ and RP.

Sorry Sam but a copy of the SZ team setup would die real fast. Evil team has a HUGE advantage. Everyone would go evil. (Nihilum isn't dumb, they'd go evil like everyone else.) It would end up a total mess.

It's like the sony devs were either clueless idiots or they were planning to play evil team themselves and knowingly shafted the other two teams. It's like a two team server where one team (Good/Neut) was split in half and then had to compete with the (Evil) whole team. You could say Good was only 1/3rd of the Good/Neut team on top of that.

I think the truth is the sony devs were clueless idiots who didn't figure out the teams were messed up. And if they had they wouldn't care enough to put in the time & effort to balance the teams anyway.

If you want the server to fail, make it just like SZ with no changes.

You don't have to split the teams exactly like I said. I just though of that when I posted it. There are a lot of ways to split it up. But you really need to make them balanced.

I would hate to see the devs put a lot of effort into a server just to see it crash and burn from something that was easy to see from the start.

[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by Ebony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry Sam but a copy of the SZ team setup would die real fast. Evil team has a HUGE advantage. Everyone would go evil. (Nihilum isn't dumb, they'd go evil like everyone else.) It would end up a total mess.

It's like the sony devs were either clueless idiots or they were planning to play evil team themselves and knowingly shafted the other two teams. It's like a two team server where one team (Good/Neut) was split in half and then had to compete with the (Evil) whole team. You could say Good was only 1/3rd of the Good/Neut team on top of that.

I think the truth is the sony devs were clueless idiots who didn't figure out the teams were messed up. And if they had they wouldn't care enough to put in the time & effort to balance the teams anyway.

If you want the server to fail, make it just like SZ with no changes.

You don't have to split the teams exactly like I said. I just though of that when I posted it. There are a lot of ways to split it up. But you really need to make them balanced.

I would hate to see the devs put a lot of effort into a server just to see it crash and burn from something that was easy to see from the start.

actually I can think of a few KEY Nihilum members who would not roll evil. also its pretty well known eq pvp is not balanced. this is about PvPing making sense in the world of EverQuest. Why would a halfling druid kill another halfling druid over a manastone camp? shits just evil and greedy. SZ teams for maximum immersion and i promise you it wont be like it was on live. there will be a resistance.

[Ebony]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actually I can think of a few KEY Nihilum members who would not roll evil. also its pretty well known eq pvp is not balanced. this is about PvPing making sense in the world of EverQuest. Why would a halfling druid kill another halfling druid over a manastone camp? shits just evil and greedy. SZ teams for maximum immersion and i promise you it wont be like it was on live. there will be a resistance.

If they did remake SZ, I would play Good team. Even though I know I might be the only one. lol

I can see "The Resistance" now.

Ebony<Good team player> & Samwise<Neut team player> vs <everyone else>

=P

I would have fun playing on any team PvP server but if we HAD to make an almost clone of a Sony Box, I'd vote for a Hard coded TZ/VZ.

[SamwiseRed]

The 'Teams':

The Good Alliance consists of: Erollisi Marr, Mithaniel Marr, Rodcet Nife, Quellious, Tunare
The Evil Alliance consists of: Bertoxxulous, Cazic Thule, Innoruuk, Rallos Zek
The Neutral Alliance consists of: Brell Serilis, Bristlebane, Karana, Prexus, Solusek Ro, The Tribunal, Veeshan.



There are no Agnostics on Sullon Zek. With the new influence of the gods, those that had not declared for one deity or another have been killed. Everyone now worships a deity, if not out of respect, love or fear of the god, then out of fear for their lives at the hands of fanatics.

Barbarian Shaman and Warriors can choose to worship Mithaniel Marr. Mithaniel Marr was unwilling to abandon all of the noble barbarians that served the good, and many declared themselves in favor of an alliance with Good.

Monks will be able to worship Veeshan. The Temple in Qeynos has discovered some ancient writings that opened up new avenues.

We will be including a method for the Good and Neutral teams to use Summon Corpse or something similar in the near future.

Keep in mind that we will probably be making some changes to this server as things progress.

Enjoy!

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The 'Teams':

The Good Alliance consists of: Erollisi Marr, Mithaniel Marr, Rodcet Nife, Quellious, Tunare
The Evil Alliance consists of: Bertoxxulous, Cazic Thule, Innoruuk, Rallos Zek
The Neutral Alliance consists of: Brell Serilis, Bristlebane, Karana, Prexus, Solusek Ro, The Tribunal, Veeshan.



There are no Agnostics on Sullon Zek. With the new influence of the gods, those that had not declared for one deity or another have been killed. Everyone now worships a deity, if not out of respect, love or fear of the god, then out of fear for their lives at the hands of fanatics.

Barbarian Shaman and Warriors can choose to worship Mithaniel Marr. Mithaniel Marr was unwilling to abandon all of the noble barbarians that served the good, and many declared themselves in favor of an alliance with Good.

Monks will be able to worship Veeshan. The Temple in Qeynos has discovered some ancient writings that opened up new avenues.

We will be including a method for the Good and Neutral teams to use Summon Corpse or something similar in the near future.

Keep in mind that we will probably be making some changes to this server as things progress.

Enjoy!

Exactly this. Add in item loot and the FV RP style gameplay. Keep in mind, that means that ALL items (besides epics) are droppable/sellable/lootable. Now you have something going. I'd leave blue to play this.
Also "Summon" corpse isn't a very difficult thing to fix, just give mages the ability to "Summon" them, they can summon everything else anyway, it's really not that much of a stretch.

[SamwiseRed]

I would play anything as long as it had SZ style teams even item loot.

[Proverbs28]

i agree samwise i just dont want people to say or bring up that they cant raid due to certian classes being absent. if you gave humans the idea to choose their path (based on diety i guess)it would keep a RP element, but also give a level playing field.

then it also leaves the question as to what you do with iksars when kunark released?
they arent friendly with ogres or dark elves?

and Erudites of paineel are kos to everyone too just about i think in classic...? i know on here your dubious in Erudin but if you go inside almost any building your toast. Same in qeynos.

[SamwiseRed]

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[SamwiseRed]

looks like the good guys get a nerd, a black dude, and a scientist who obsesses with the stay puff marsh mellow man.. not bad.

[Furniture]

maybe there should be a strict no Null agreement on this server, worst dev in p99, doesnt do anything, implements shitty custom resist system even though everyone on the server wants classic resists