Raiding scene changes proposal

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to learn to decipher truth from troll. There is no need for kunark bp's come velious.

That must've been why he said he did it back on live and planned on doing it again. Giving a detailed recitation of his experience on his old server and killing the UDB Trak even though no Bards needed guts.

He was just a dirty troll liar. Makes sense now thanks brah.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That must've been why he said he did it back on live and planned on doing it again. Giving a detailed recitation of his experience on his old server and killing the UDB Trak even though no Bards needed guts.

He was just a dirty troll liar. Makes sense now thanks brah.

Name this person? Was is zeelot? Was it an officer? Is live the same as p1999? Werre there maybe lots of guilds on live who couldnt kill UDB so killing it wouldn't cockblock anyone? So many questions so few answers.

[falkun]

Alarti, TMO are the only people who BOTHER to compete on that level, not the only people who CAN compete on that level. Also, do you honestly think TMO are the only people who will be prepared for raids come Velious? There are at least two other guilds on the heels of TMO for Kunark content, why would we not be ready for Velious content?

What you are describing is the "trickle down" effect I mentioned in the post you quoted. What happens when no more trickling is required? All the guilds hit their proverbial "glass ceilings" and stagnate until the top leaves? That doesn't sound much different than the IB/TMO "transition".

A tiered socialistic system will allow for peaceful transitions of power, the #1 guild simply stops occupying its slot in the rotation and the rotations adjust dynamically based on member guilds while the PVE server remains about PVE challenges. But "peaceful" and "competition are in direct conflict with each other, I know. And so the lowest common denominator reigns.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti, TMO are the only people who BOTHER to compete on that level, not the only people who CAN compete on that level. Also, do you honestly think TMO are the only people who will be prepared for raids come Velious? There are at least two other guilds on the heels of TMO for Kunark content, why would we not be ready for Velious content?

What you are describing is the "trickle down" effect I mentioned in the post you quoted. What happens when no more trickling is required? All the guilds hit their proverbial "glass ceilings" and stagnate until the top leaves? That doesn't sound much different than the IB/TMO "transition".

A tiered socialistic system will allow for peaceful transitions of power, the #1 guild simply stops occupying its slot in the rotation and the rotations adjust dynamically based on member guilds while the PVE server remains about PVE challenges. But "peaceful" and "competition are in direct conflict with each other, I know. And so the lowest common denominator reigns.

Deajay, Currently TMO is the only guild who CAN compete on upper tier Velious raiding. Right now we are playing poorly because we don't care much and are severely bored. BDA and FE are playing at their best and still can't compete. Unless you change how you play you will not compete on that level. Can you get better, sure. Will you, who knows. Also, if you are comparing Kunark 32khp mobs with velious raiding you really have no idea whats going on.

Socialistic societies work best when there isn't scarcity. Right now raid targets are highly scarce based on demand. Velious will Decrease scarcity but it will definitely not eliminate it. I expect in velious you will find rotations in VP, on World dragons, and Trakanon, likely even innoruuk, naggy, vox and CT. I would definitely not expect it on the new content for quite a long time.

[falkun]

Alarti, not to continue the argument because I generally agree with your points, but you made the Kunark -> Velious comparison and I followed suit. I know the changes that will come with the increased raid-mob HP.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti, not to continue the argument because I generally agree with your points, but you made the Kunark -> Velious comparison and I followed suit. I know the changes that will come with the increased raid-mob HP.

I made the comparison because FE and BDA struggle on Kunark mobs when playing their best. While TMO only struggles on kunark mobs when everyone is afk or slacking.

[Handull]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I made the comparison because FE and BDA struggle on Kunark mobs when playing their best. While TMO only struggles on kunark mobs when everyone is afk or slacking.

lol

[nebulus]

How about 1 lottery mob per week? That's all i got [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Autotune]

Every time I see "Do you even play" it reminds me of the "Do you even lift" thing.

[kotton05]

not really sure what to say! rules wont be followed till all are willing to follow.... so prolly a no go=-/