Raiding scene changes proposal

[Autotune]

I've given BDA, Taken and Divinity spawn timers and even told them how to get involved in the raiding scene ages ago.

They don't care, it's all about "what can you do for me now!?"


needy needy needy.

[Handull]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some stuff we haven't done that some members of your guild or FE has done. We never memblurred raid targets with the intention of getting them to Complete heal when we had no capability of killing that target. We have never supported or reinvited MQ/SEQ users(once discovered) into our guild. We have never had a GM in our guild specifically design raid rules to put our competition at a disadvantage(or less of an advantage). We have never gone against a rotation agreement when one was in affect. We have never avoided suspension when other partners in our raid team were suspended on a joint raid.

lol, like FE has done any of these things. keep trollin

[isoka]

86 posts to my thread, and not a single answer speaking in the name of a guild. Am quite disappointed guys.

My thread is an invitation for an open talk between guilds (and not between all players, which looks like none of you understood) to discuss things that would, in my opinion, grant more respect between guilds and involve much more less GMs into the /petition fest to know who got FTE, or who got a shady train.

The advantage of a first to shout is that everyone is aware of it, which is not the case with FTE.

Most answers I got to read are : if a single guild decides to break the agreement, it's over. Yes, that's true. But so what ? VP/Trak rotations between TMO and IB worked till IB broke the agreement. My proposal can work till someone breaks the agreement and then we will just be in the exact same situation than now, but at least we would have tried to make it work.

The only here who proposed some material is Autotune, who, unfortunately, doesn't play the game anymore.

Regarding TMO, most answers I see in this thread is : we don't want to change anything, we are fine with the way it is. I proposed something that would fit Zeelot's definition of competition, but I can understand that you guys care more for loot and pixels than actual competition. It's completly fine with me, just have someone speak in the name of TMO to actually state that here saying : We have no interest in trying to change the current raid scene since we are perfectly fine with the way it is.

My thread would then be void since it requires a global agreement that would never be reached.

That being said, I would also love to get GMs thoughts on the current raiding scene. Are they spending too much time resolving raid petitions or is it fine with them the way it is ?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by isoka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

86 posts to my thread, and not a single answer speaking in the name of a guild. Am quite disappointed guys.

My thread is an invitation for an open talk between guilds (and not between all players, which looks like none of you understood) to discuss things that would, in my opinion, grant more respect between guilds and involve much more less GMs into the /petition fest to know who got FTE, or who got a shady train.

The advantage of a first to shout is that everyone is aware of it, which is not the case with FTE.

Most answers I got to read are : if a single guild decides to break the agreement, it's over. Yes, that's true. But so what ? VP/Trak rotations between TMO and IB worked till IB broke the agreement. My proposal can work till someone breaks the agreement and then we will just be in the exact same situation than now, but at least we would have tried to make it work.

The only here who proposed some material is Autotune, who, unfortunately, doesn't play the game anymore.

Regarding TMO, most answers I see in this thread is : we don't want to change anything, we are fine with the way it is. I proposed something that would fit Zeelot's definition of competition, but I can understand that you guys care more for loot and pixels than actual competition. It's completly fine with me, just have someone speak in the name of TMO to actually state that here saying : We have no interest in trying to change the current raid scene since we are perfectly fine with the way it is.

My thread would then be void since it requires a global agreement that would never be reached.

That being said, I would also love to get GMs thoughts on the current raiding scene. Are they spending too much time resolving raid petitions or is it fine with them the way it is ?

Your post didn't warrant a guild response.

You obviously don't understand competition. What you wanted to do was remove TMO advantages and call it competition.
It would be like telling google and apple they have to make the same size tablet with the same software the same apps and the same colors running on the same hardware.

Its not competition its restriction.

[isoka]

You might disagree with my vision of competition Alarti, but I feel like I'm in line with Zeelot's one. You would have noticed it if you took the time to read the introduction of my thread instead of jumping straight to a proposal open for modification and improvement (as long as I can have guild feedback rather than individual ones).

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by isoka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You might disagree with my vision of competition Alarti, but I feel like I'm in line with Zeelot's one. You would have noticed it if you took the time to read the introduction of my thread instead of jumping straight to a proposal open for modification and improvement (as long as I can have guild feedback rather than individual ones).

I read your entire post.
A guild is a collection of individuals. TMO is a democratic guild zeelot and other leaders constantly poll members opinions on what direction to take the guild. Sorry we aren't an autocratic automaton.

[Servellious]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you see the movie Gladiator? Remember at the end, when Maximus is stabbed before the fight with Commodus? Do you think that's competition? That's what you're proposing once again, just as someone from your shitty guild does over and over and over. Here's a hint: getting crippled so that a bunch of unleveled characters played by drooling morons can get some of the kills is not very appealing for the top guild.

Here's my proposal for making BDA competitive: dump your entire officer group and pull team and get someone with a clue.

As a special bonus, here's a hint for future negotiations: you have to actually offer something that appeals to the other side in some way rather than coming up with something that benefits only yourself.

P.S. Maximus still killed Commodus.

Big bad forum warrior, butt hurt over a cloak, personal crusade against bda, actually leveled a Druid past 39 and calls other people bad and bad mouths my guild. What have you done of note in game? Do you even play or just troll the p99 boards?

[Camulet]

From reading countless posts on this matter, it seems an alliance is the only way TMO can be knocked off the top spot. Once they are, im sure their numbers will reduce as their members move to join one of the allied guilds. Once the mission is accomplished the alliance disolves and what should be left is 4-5 guilds all of relatively the same numbers/strengh/experience.

Then let the competition begin!

[SkippyTime]

haha GL capulet

[Camulet]

I said it was the only way, never said FE, BDA and other smaller guilds had the capacity to work together!

With regards to all other suggestions I hate to say this but I agree with TMO's view point. They are not doing anything that other guilds cant do if they really wanted to, and infact it could be done by numbers not necessarily by a smaller group devoting their whole life.

There is a decent euro contingent on this server that can easily track a spawn during the hours that the US people are either asleep or at work.

There are ways to get a further share without artificially creating competition.