So your guns keep you safe?

[Andrew Jackson]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So to recap.

CA has the most gun control (I have no idea)

CA also has the most homicide and total guns. (oibviously incredible gun control)

Troll or idiot?

CA does have the most gun control, per the Brady campaign's own website where it scores in the high 80's. Utah as a counterexample, scores a 0.

I don't know if CA has the most total guns, I'd doubt it in favour of the midwest. But it does have the highest amount of firearm homicides, as I showed in the FBI fact sheet.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Andrew Jackson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CA does have the most gun control, per the Brady campaign's own website where it scores in the high 80's. Utah as a counterexample, scores a 0.

I don't know if CA has the most total guns, I'd doubt it in favour of the midwest. But it does have the highest amount of firearm homicides, as I showed in the FBI fact sheet.

Leaning towards idiot.

That FBI fact sheet you so obviously haven't even looked at properly, lists the total firearms (per state) in the next column to total homicides (per state)..

So CA, who has the highest gun control, has the highest murders and highest total number of guns.

Tells you alot about the supposed 'gun control' and how highly it rates.

ie - it's pathetic and non existant.

I wont even try to draw conclusions about the state with the highest total guns having the highest total murders as that wouldn't fit in with the crazy talk around here.

[Andrew Jackson]

If we didn't need guns we also wouldn't need locks on our doors.

[Hasbinlulz]

..or just buy a gun.

[leezard]

I appreciate your ardor, but facts is facts, and she shot this dummy multiple times. He was in no way as prepared, (coldly) rational or intelligent as the kid from last week. However, that really changes very little about the point you are trying to make. How many people heard about this? I live in S.A. area, and it was not that big of a story. But here is what I wonder: ( Gun owner btw, shotty and 22. No handguns, cant see a reason for one my 12 gauge defender will suffice for home protection more than any pistol ever will) This was a sherrif deputy. This was someone, who even if gun control was to be put in place, would most likely still be allowed to carry a weapon.

How does this truly affect the current debate? Pretty much not at all.

Pending investigation last I checked, but the rifle was not a legal weapon. This was not white suburban teen xanax angst. There are more illegal, modified ak's in S.A. then you probably want to think about. And gun control will NOT remove those weapons. Alot of unregistered weapons travel the I-35 corridor, and a staggering amount of them were distributed by the fucking government. They preach gun control friends, not to make you safe but to keep them safe. From you. You may not, will not, choose not to believe this, but until OUR government in USA stops arming criminals and other countries, perhaps they need to STFU about gun bans, because they are putting AUTOMATIC weapons, RPG's, .50 cal fully auto army issue weapons into the hands of the drug cartels in mexico. Some of those are getting used here.

[Andrew Jackson]

Originally Posted by leezard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I appreciate your ardor, but facts is facts, and she shot this dummy multiple times. He was in no way as prepared, (coldly) rational or intelligent as the kid from last week. However, that really changes very little about the point you are trying to make. How many people heard about this? I live in S.A. area, and it was not that big of a story. But here is what I wonder: ( Gun owner btw, shotty and 22. No handguns, cant see a reason for one my 12 gauge defender will suffice for home protection more than any pistol ever will) This was a sherrif deputy. This was someone, who even if gun control was to be put in place, would most likely still be allowed to carry a weapon.

How does this truly affect the current debate? Pretty much not at all.

I'd argue it is very relevant to the debate. The liberals are always like "Even if you had concealed carry, you wouldn't be able to stop them!!!!!!! JUST WAIT YOUR TURN TO DIE!"

This isn't bignewsworthy because it was ended swiftly, and the news is about sensationalism and this does not bode well with their liberal media agenda.


But wait did you really say your .22 pistol will suffice compared to the 12 gauge???

[Raavak]

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[Hitchens]

(AP) Washington, DC: President Barack Obama has signed the first Executive Order banning the manufacture and sale of firearms in the United States. Republican and NRA responses expected within the hour. Developing...

[leezard]

No, AJ, I did not. I said my 12 gauge will suffice. .22 is a rifle I mainly use for small game, feral hogs etc. I do like me some rabbit stew. I personally don't see a reason to own a handgun. Granted, I do not have concealed permit either and have never needed one out in the world. I did have a single intruder incident. The mossberg was not fired, but it certainly changed my would be burglar's mind.

Yes, it generated very little media coverage because the only person shot was the would be. Had he managed to pop ten people, you bet your ass it would have made the big time news. My point is about it changing the debate very little is simply, this was a sherriff deputy. A peace officer, not a standard citizen, and as such would be more help to the gun ban side. Had she been random_lady01 with a concealed permit it would be a much stronger argument towards keeping gun control limited. As it is, she was a cop and cops, well, carry guns. Still will even if a crackdown happens.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by leezard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

.22 is a rifle I mainly use for small game, feral hogs etc.

All credibility lost, no one kills feral hogs with a .22, are you fucking serious?