TMO proves there skill once more.

[Chedduh]

Originally Posted by bizzum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think what you want but all I can say is there was a warrior main who is an app present at that raid. How we do raids and the reason for why the hand went to what warrior doesn't really concern you. I'm not a liar though.

Correct not saying you were, just moreso stating that the need for a hand to this current warrior who received it still was needed back in October. However, on that night for some reason it wasn't as important?

[bizzum]

Originally Posted by Chedduh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correct not saying you were, just moreso stating that the need for a hand to this current warrior who received it still was needed back in October. However, on that night for some reason it wasn't as important?

Maybe it's because I'm language switching back and forth at work right now, but I did not understand whatever you were trying to say lol. I would have liked to see the hand go to a main but rules are rules! I dont even know if the alt or the app could even zone into the planes in October, but yea!

Back to translating~

[Daldolma]

p obvious that TMO tried to snag Maestro first, failed, and consequently dropped their leftovers on everyone else -- accidentally no doubt.

It's not that they care enough to train you for Maestro, it's just that they care enough to race you and don't care enough to make sure they don't fuck you over in the process. No way was it intentional, but oh well, you got social on their train and wiped. Boo hoo, thanks for the hand.

Good luck getting anyone to care. The raid scene on this server has been an unmitigated disaster for two years. Learn to thrive in the muck or give way to a guild that will.

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

p obvious that TMO tried to snag Maestro first, failed, and consequently dropped their leftovers on everyone else -- accidentally no doubt.

It's not that they care enough to train you for Maestro, it's just that they care enough to race you and don't care enough to make sure they don't fuck you over in the process. No way was it intentional, but oh well, you got social on their train and wiped. Boo hoo, thanks for the hand.

Good luck getting anyone to care. The raid scene on this server has been an unmitigated disaster for two years. Learn to thrive in the muck or give way to a guild that will.

Sad to say but, these are truths.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Chedduh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti if you think you are anything close to an intellectual debater that shows enough of how dumb you are for anyone. You can go off of your "intelligence" while i will sit back and use wisdom. You can twist and use your little tips and tricks you might've picked up from your local community college's psychology class or your friends website that he uses to share his thesis statement, but none of that applies in the way the real world works.

Heebo it was already noted in this thread the warrior that got the hand was an ALT, therefore having been in the guild prior to this said "recruitment" considering TMO has been closed off for how long now? Going on two months it seems from accepting new members.

I am not going to debate someone who most likely likes to hear himself talk IRL and obviously see himself type on an internet forum since debate doesn't provide facts, but moreso opinions from differing sides that can provide the illusion of a truth to any outside spectator. Whoever is the more convincing wins?!? Don't think so, take a step back and realize that when an occurrence happens so often it can no longer be defended honorably.

Treats you are simply a dummy, you can think i imply whatever it is you want. At the end of the day your statements are incorrect from start to finish.

What does your wisdom say? Is it backed with evidence? If not its not wisdom. Examples of past conventional wisdom claims that were in fact not wisdom. Our solar system is Earth-centric. The Earth is flat.

[Chedduh]

Not a problem, the warrior in question was capable of being in the planes at the time. As you all have stated there are others who could use it within the guild anyway so for the sake of argument even if he hypothetically wasn't it doesn't answer the question that is presented. (Why wasn't the easier Maestro contested/killed back then whereas now there is this mess? The kill then there was no hand and this kill there was!) I am in complete agreeance the lack of details that has been presented thus far by the original poster lacks a full scale credible claim so far towards raid interference. However, the trend continues in regards to this similar training action being done as well as sketchy behavior being linked in regards to potential program use or just bending rules at will for the sake of grief.

Cause again late October a clean zone and uncontested Maestro while already being in zone (vs.) a zone that has more mobs up and another guild already there engaged/engaging with said mob while yourselves not fully being there yet.

Any sensible person who uses common sense can see a discrepancy and view it as suspicious, but as you explained people wanted to kill it again all of a sudden. To repeat: That just seems to be a little convenient given the situation at hand whereas the mob was still needed a month ago, but left sitting there open/available while you were in zone uncontested for a lengthy period then as opposed to the situation now.

[bizzum]

Originally Posted by Chedduh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not a problem, the warrior in question was capable of being in the planes at the time. As you all have stated there are others who could use it within the guild anyway so for the sake of argument even if he hypothetically wasn't it doesn't answer the question that is presented. (Why wasn't the easier Maestro contested/killed back then whereas now there is this mess? The kill then there was no hand and this kill there was!) I am in complete agreeance the lack of details that has been presented thus far by the original poster lacks a full scale credible claim so far towards raid interference. However, the trend continues in regards to this similar training action being done as well as sketchy behavior being linked in regards to potential program use or just bending rules at will for the sake of grief.

Cause again late October a clean zone and uncontested Maestro while already being in zone (vs.) a zone that has more mobs up and another guild already there engaged/engaging with said mob while yourselves not fully being there yet.

Any sensible person who uses common sense can see a discrepancy and view it as suspicious, but as you explained people wanted to kill it again all of a sudden. To repeat: That just seems to be a little convenient given the situation at hand whereas the mob was still needed a month ago, but left sitting there open/available while you were in zone uncontested for a lengthy period then as opposed to the situation now.

Well as far as I know neither of the alts that were up there really were actively seeking a hand. Pretty sure they just used this opportunity to try and get it since it was personally convenient for them. All the happened was somebody said Maestro was up after Trak died and I was like if you wanna go get to WC and then thats what we did. Nobody said FEs up there nobody said stuff like that, so from my standpoint of getting people going that wasn't part of the equation.

Honestly, if you are saying Maestro was left up in a clear zone for hours on end, all I can say to you is that if I knew it was up I would have gotten a BP cleric and an Epic mage pet and would have tried to make some cash!!

[Chedduh]

Originally Posted by bizzum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well as far as I know neither of the alts that were up there really were actively seeking a hand. Pretty sure they just used this opportunity to try and get it since it was personally convenient for them. All the happened was somebody said Maestro was up after Trak died and I was like if you wanna go get to WC and then thats what we did. Nobody said FEs up there nobody said stuff like that, so from my standpoint of getting people going that wasn't part of the equation.

Honestly, if you are saying Maestro was left up in a clear zone for hours on end, all I can say to you is that if I knew it was up I would have gotten a BP cleric and an Epic mage pet and would have tried to make some cash!!

I'm moreso commenting on what your guildmate Heebo said in regards to wanting to "go up and harvest some tears". The fact the two of you are saying your other guildmates said two completely different things is what is confusing for everyone outside of TMO. The stories never seem to be straight nor line up, hence the reasoning for doubt when it comes to the responses of members as well as intentions during the course of action. Even after the fact it appears things are discombobulated, so it is almost as if situations of complex confusion are created so there can be that sense of doubt to instill in those who deal with it personally or view it on forums.

Alarti, you make no sense therefore no need for an actual full response. Claims of evidence then saying stuff about the Earth where there has been evidence in regards to what you said just goes to show you don't understand intelligence nor wisdom, but rather just spew craptastic words and notions in the only thing you do understand which is Troll efforts.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Chedduh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti, you make no sense therefore no need for an actual full response. Claims of evidence then saying stuff about the Earth where there has been evidence in regards to what you said just goes to show you don't understand intelligence nor wisdom, but rather just spew craptastic words and notions in the only thing you do understand which is Troll efforts.

You being incapable of understanding something doesn't mean it isn't intelligent. If you don't understand the obvious parallels between assuming things to be true without evidence and the old assumptions that the Earth was flat then I wouldn't be surprised if you have always worn velcro shoes.

[Chedduh]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You being incapable of understanding something doesn't mean it isn't intelligent. If you don't understand the obvious parallels between assuming things to be true without evidence and the old assumptions that the Earth was flat then I wouldn't be surprised if you have always worn velcro shoes.

What's funny is you accuse people of being incapable of so many things due to assumptions, yet you yourself make the wildest assumptions about everyone. Feel free to make the accusations you want, as i said you didn't warrant a FULL response. For you take take other meanings out of what i did say is all accusation without proof. Congratulations you're a hypocrite!