Rant: Ron Paul/Rand Paul- 2016 and this previous election.

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gold Standard lol

this

[Black Jesus]

ya lol gold standard besides the fact every fiat currency has destroyed itself (and look at history repeating death of the dollar any day now) and the societies always go back to gold.

[Tanthallas]

Look at history in the future?

Cool bro.

[Black Jesus]

its 410 ladies and gentlemen, we're about to collapse

i know, i know, you don't care about the lessons of history, don't know about rome falling to alaric the visigoth leader, but you better learn history this is dangerous

the globalist social engineers look at you, and how pathetic you are, how you don't know anything, and how youre obsessed with justin bieber and lebron james, and they say we got a buncha shmucks, a buncha morans, lets destroy their society, lets loot it, lets pass carbon taxes, expand nafta and gatt, get rid of the dollar as the world reserve currency

DO you know what happens when they get rid of the dollar? We've already lost most of our industry. You will be a 3rd world slave like they are in mexico or nigeria, but those people at least know why theyre slaves. You people are so stupid, and so focued on crap, you'll still be talking about lindsay lohan as your homeless on the streets

[Black Jesus]

heres one of the headlines today u moran fucks

Fiscal Cliff Worries Drive Gold to $1,731 | $1,600 territory likely a thing of the past.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

heres one of the headlines today u moran fucks

Fiscal Cliff Worries Drive Gold to $1,731 | $1,600 territory likely a thing of the past.

What a stupid headline. A reduction in the deficit (the fiscal cliff) would be bearish for gold, as Bernanke would be able to lower the printing presses from 5th gear for a time. In general, gold is up because the Fed continues it's indefinite QE program. Money supply is the primary factor in the price of all goods. However, gold price is influenced by many other factors. Trying to attribute it to worries over the fiscal cliff is like an astrologer trying to blame the outbreak of war on Mars being in a certain part of the sky.

[Black Jesus]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just not crazy about someone who is an admitted islamophobe/homophobe being president of the most powerful country in the world. I also object to this idea that he would get the black vote, as if black people have no agency and only vote for people who look like them.

I know youre Canadian so don't understand but those people have destroyed America.

[XgrimX]

I think we can all agree there is a POSSIBILITY he could have been a better economy. I still think he would have won hands down over Romney just because Obama has a terrible record to run on for the last 4 years. But the point I was making more was the fact that the GOP screwed Ron Paul therefore if they would have just accepted him gave him speaking slots etc. they would have had the 4-5% of the independent vote that would have put them over the top to beat Obama this past election. Just wondering if anyone thought the same I do on the mistake by the GOP/RNC

Good discussions though

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by XgrimX [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think we can all agree there is a POSSIBILITY he could have been a better economy. I still think he would have won hands down over Romney just because Obama has a terrible record to run on for the last 4 years. But the point I was making more was the fact that the GOP screwed Ron Paul therefore if they would have just accepted him gave him speaking slots etc. they would have had the 4-5% of the independent vote that would have put them over the top to beat Obama this past election. Just wondering if anyone thought the same I do on the mistake by the GOP/RNC

Good discussions though

I say this as respectfully as possible, but you're being delusional. Romney did awesome with independent voters. He did awesome with white voters. He did as well as you could have possibly expected in those demographics. He lost because he got destroyed by the Latino, black, and gay votes, and alienated single women. Ron Paul doesn't help with those demographics -- he hurts. And Ron Paul cannot be put in a central position within the party because there is entirely too much dirt on him. The minute he starts seriously stumping for a presidential candidate is the minute national news agencies start talking about his newsletters, which referred to MLK Jr as a "pro-communist philanderer" and MLK Day as "Hate Whitey Day". And that's seriously just the tip of the iceberg. It's not a mistake that the Republican leadership's approach to Ron Paul has been "thanks but no thanks".

The reason the Republicans lost is because their campaign strategy is a thing of the past. You cannot win on white voters anymore. You cannot win by taking average Joes and independents. You absolutely must be competitive within the Latino and black voter blocs to have a shot. You don't have to win them, but you can't lose them by 40+ points. Especially not when you're strategically ceding the gay vote.

There wasn't a single serious candidate for the Republican nomination that had any shot in the general election. They were all going to lose 90+% of the black vote, 65%+ of the Latino vote, and 60+% of the gay vote. You can't win like that. Not anymore.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

stuff

Keep in mind that there were 15 million fewer voters this year than in 2008. Voter turnout was below 60%. I'd imagine a big chunk of that were people completely disallusioned with both candidates, whether they are leaning left or right. I know a lot of usual Republican voters who couldn't vote for the moderate Romney. I know the media paints Romney as a right winger, but he is very much in the middle. The Republicans keep putting up these moderates and they keep losing. A Ron Paul would have brought in a lot of people who otherwise were not voting. He also would have picked up a good chunk of Obama voters who were simply voting anti-Romney.