prop 37 in Cali

[Black Jesus]

Originally Posted by Reiker000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First of all, there's zero scientific proof that genetically modified food is harmful. I wouldn't want to have to pay based on someone's hunch. Do the scientific research and then come @ me..

Stopped reading here because you obviously haven't.

[dredge]

The problem with scientific evidence is its hard to get these studies done when monsanto controls everything and bullies and threatens any scientist that disagrees with them.

The first study on rats that followed them for their whole life cycle showed like 85% cancer, increased aggression, infertility and severe allergies.

[dredge]

Secondly it has been proven that gmos have done nothing for for fighting world hunger and famine.
You have been misinformed and played.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Secondly it has been proven that gmos have done nothing for for fighting world hunger and famine.
You have been misinformed and played.

Seems like a difficult thing to prove. Do you understand what prove means? Do you understand the scientific method?

[dredge]

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watch the movie and come back with an argument, you cant:
http://vimeo.com/6575475

[Black Jesus]

Here you go Reiker.

A new paper reviewing data from 19 animal studies shows that consuming genetically modified (GM) corn or soybeans leads to significant organ disruptions in rats and mice, particularly in livers and kidneys. “Other organs may be affected too, such as the heart and spleen, or blood cells,” stated the paper. In fact some of the animals fed genetically modified organisms had altered body weights, which is “a very good predictor of side effects in various organs.”

Link to scientific journal: http://www.enveurope.com/content/23/1/10

[Reiker000]

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here you go Reiker.

A new paper reviewing data from 19 animal studies shows that consuming genetically modified (GM) corn or soybeans leads to significant organ disruptions in rats and mice, particularly in livers and kidneys. “Other organs may be affected too, such as the heart and spleen, or blood cells,” stated the paper. In fact some of the animals fed genetically modified organisms had altered body weights, which is “a very good predictor of side effects in various organs.”

Link to scientific journal: http://www.enveurope.com/content/23/1/10

I forgot that humans are the same as rats/mice.

Again, the biggest problem is that this proposition was an underhanded way for big business to route out small businesses. Everyone in support of 37 have been swindled exactly how they wanted you to be.

I'm not completely against the provisions of the proposition, but the thing was written terribly and really had nothing to do with "protecting people from GM food" like they were trying to lead people to believe. Fortunately, the majority were able to see through this.

Come up with a plan that doesn't completely cripple small retailers and try again.

[Black Jesus]

Originally Posted by Reiker000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I forgot that humans are the same as rats/mice.

Quoted where I stopped reading because of lunacy denouncing like every clinical trial ever performed.

[dredge]

Originally Posted by Reiker000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and really had nothing to do with "protecting people from GM food" like they were trying to lead people to believe.

like by putting fucking GMO labels on the God damn food?

[Reiker000]

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

like by putting fucking GMO labels on the God damn food?

This will probably be my last response in this thread because 99% of this forum is fucking retarded and as always, completely unable to grasp the entire picture. I'm just repeating myself over and over to receive "lol tldr u mad?" responses from children. If you want to educate yourself about something, get off Project1999.

But, once again, you're being emotionally blackmailed on an issue. You keep repeating "BUT... BUT GMO IS BAD!" without actually responding to the points of Proposition 37 that are bad.

Here's the third time I'll say this: I am not against a larger amount of transparency on purchasable goods. I think most people can say the same thing.

However, the provisions of the bill are awful. You say "putting fucking GMO labels on the god damn food" like some magic label fairies are going to be placed around California to make sure this shit happens. Do you know who's responsible for "putting fucking GMO labels on the god damn food"? Hint: I've said it at least twice in this thread. Do you know exactly what needs to be labelled? Again, probably not. The proposition is so vague retailers would probably need to label everything, even animals bred via selective breeding, which is harmless "genetic modification" that's been going on for thousands of years.

The entire thing is a big business scare tactic and you're falling for it. Again, fortunately not the entirety of California fell for it.

If this passed, guess what would happen? Costs in local "mom and pop" shops would skyrocket, you'd buy more from Walmart or whatever giant, and those small businesses go out of business. And you probably wouldn't eat any differently.

If a similar bill popped up in my state (New York) which actually put the responsibility on the manufacturer instead of the retailer, actually gave a clear outline on what had to happen, and had sane limitations without driving up the costs of food, then sure, I'd probably vote for it. Prop 37 was not that. It was big business takeover veiled in phony science.