prop 37 in Cali

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Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Under the theory of democracy, laws are only passed when a majority of people believe it is a good idea. If the majority of people dislike GMO foods, and they actually put their money where their mouth is, their collective action will have long ago changed the habits of the food producers. Use the profit motive to force companies to make the change. It's far more effective than trying to use the government. Laws are easily avoided. They can't put a gun to anyone's head and force them to buy their product. Seriously, quit being such a fucking sheep. 95% of Americans have been convinced that government is the only way to solve their problems. It's pathetic.

Your right I'm just being lazy.
I'm writing the 30 different products that are in my lunch now to see if their research and development divisions can shed some light on if fucking GMO poison is in any of it.

That's what everyone should do when they eat something they didn't grow from heirloom seed stock right?

This makes way more sense then wanting a law

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Originally Posted by FormerlyAMonk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This doesn't apply when "the masses" have become a giant herd of mindless sheep.

Most people don't even know what "GMO" stands for, or how common it is (ie in almost everything we eat.)

As I said before -- I just saw a Kellogs Cornflakes commercial the other night. The commercial told me, several times, that I should buy they products because they're "100% natural."

It's these very companies who've lobbied the very laws that allow them to use such misleading terms. Just like that bottle of whatever you're drinking that probably says "with natural flavors" all over it is anything BUT natural.

Hell almost nothing says "artifically flavored" on it anymore. The food companies essentially lobbied laws that allowed for them to replace "artificial flavors" with "natural flavors" (which refer, technically, to flavors ARTIFICALLY SYNTHESIZED, at least in part, by a natural product containing the flavor being emulated.) It's still totally artificial.

Right, but if people are all just a bunch of mindless sheep, how would democracy solve that? You still need to convince 50% of the population to support this. If they're all stupid and oblivious to GMO, then you fail to pass the law. And as you point out, even if a law is passed, it's likely that the companies being regulated will have their hands all over the regulations and craft them to their advantage.

Companies will respond long before 50% of their customers become upset with them for using GMO foods. If any significant portion of the population shifted their habits and only gave their money to companies that truly satisfied their needs, you'd see businesses shift their production methods. I think the problem the GMO people have at this point is that many people simply don't believe all the GMO hype, and so they won't shift their habits. So it is their job to try and change minds. They are apparently failing at doing that on their own, so they're hoping labeling laws will do the job for them. Even if labeling laws have some benefit to society, it's still wrong to use these laws as a scare tactic.

[Raavak]

Buy genetically unaltered seeds. Grow your own food. Only thing you can do. This stuff is only going to get worse likely until they accidentally release a genetic time bomb that kills us all.

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Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Buy genetically unaltered seeds. Grow your own food. Only thing you can do. This stuff is only going to get worse likely until they accidentally release a genetic time bomb that kills us all.

yeah that makes a lot more sense then passing a label law

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Originally Posted by Charms [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good luck finding non-GMO seeds, those don't have to be labeled either.

Exactly, non gmo soy for example is in danger of becoming extinct.

These monsters want to control the whole enchilada, watch the movie folks

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wonderful, this is the result so far:

As of right now the FDA has no definition of GMO ingredients. Thus without no definition there is no foundation for me to construct an answer. I can say there may be and may not be, but until we have something to stand on, it is very hard to answer this question. All the FDA has acknowledged is that they have accepted the genetic modification of about 40 different plants for various reasons. I am not trying to cloud the issue, but until we have a complete understanding and a very specific definition and guidelines, I really do not have an answer.

Thanks

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^so your shit out of luck

[Zereh]

grrr Can't imbed: TED ~ Robyn O'Brien

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great video here:

http://youtu.be/TB5EBFUwaw0

and here is what the ad campaign looked like, too bad, Cali voted to not know, mind boggling really

http://youtu.be/RB1xHFwSYIg

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and this is just the tip of the iceberg, this poison is in practically everything here in the states:

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then you got to worry about what the animals were feed that your consuming, the milk, etc...

I started researching and corresponding with a bunch of dog food companies in my quest to get my pup a non GMO food and I eventually had to buy a premo kibble made in Canada to escape GMO's. The dog food is made by Champion / Acana/ Orijen if anyone is wondering.