Sorry Conservatives, but Obama looks like he has this one in the bag

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What has Obama done in office that would make you happy to see him reelected? ...

• Cut prescription drug cost for medicare recipients by 50%
  
• Provided $12.2 Billion in new funding for Individuals With Disabilities Education Act
  
• Signed financial reform law establishing a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to look out for the interests of everyday Americans
  
• Signed financial reform law allowing shareholders of publicly traded companies to vote on executive pay
  
• Signed financial reform law requiring lenders to verify applicants' credit history, income, and employment status
  
• Signed financial reform law prohibiting banks from engaging in proprietary trading (trading the bank's own money to turn a profit, often in conflict with their customers' interests)
  
• The American Recovery & Reinvestment Act of 2009: a $789 billion economic stimulus plan
  
• Created more private sector jobs in 2010 than during entire Bush years
  
• Voluntary disclosure of White House visitors for the first time in US history
  
• Appointed first Latina to the US Supreme Court
  
• Promoted social responsibility through creation of serve.gov, a national database of volunteer opportunities
  
• Reversed 'global gag rule', allowing US aid to go to organizations regardless of whether they provide abortions
  
• Signed New START Treaty - nuclear arms reduction pact with Russia
  
• First president to endorse same-sex marriage equality
  
• Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, restoring basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers
  
• Provided travel expenses to families of fallen soldiers to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
  
• Reversed the policy of barring media coverage during the return of fallen soldiers to Dover Air Force Base
  
• Launched recovery.gov to track spending from the Recovery Act, providing transparency and allowing the public to report fraud, waste, or abuse
  
• Provided the Department of Veterans Affairs with more than $1.4 billion to improve services to America's Veterans
  
• Signed the Children's Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, which provides health care to 11 million kids -- 4 million of whom were previously uninsured
  
• Issued executive order to repeal Bush era restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research
  
• Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act, the first piece of comprehensive legislation aimed at improving the lives of Americans living with paralysis

theres a bunch of facts for you. now i understand that while watching only Fox News, you may not be accustomed to things like facts. but there they are.

and no, there are not two sides to the facts as Fox News loves to say. theres only one side to facts, thats why they are facts.

and if your so impressed that u find yourself asking, "my gods, what else has he done!?!" feel free to send me a PM and ill gladly wall of text.



Obama is very far from the "perfect" president, dont get me wrong. but the republicans nominated the absolute worst person they could have possibly ran. Romney is a piece of dog shit who thinks everyone is stupid. "But Sirken? how can you possibly know whats in Romney's head/thoughts?!?" thats simple too. when the words coming out of your mouth change with every different audience you speak to, it means 1 of 2 things. either the speaker is mentally retarded. or, the the speaker thinks the audience is mentally retarded.

the guy flip flops more than a fish out of water, and yet some how you feel this spineless excuse of a man should lead the country. lulz


however all that being said. it is still possible to vote for Romney and not be a dumb fucking twat. its ok to vote for Romney if you are any of these things:

1) Rich
2) Stupid
3) Racist
4) Mormon
5) Related to Romney in RL
6) Guilded with Romney on P99
7) never bothered to follow politics over the last 5 years that Romney has been running for president, and have no idea how to look up videos on the interwebz


Election Day Tuesday Nov 6 (contrary to the mass mails that republicans sent out to minority (poor neighborhood) voters in Ohio saying it was Nov 8th)


lets not forget the best quote ever by Romney's campaign manager, "we will not let this campaign be dictated by fact checkers"

/facepalm

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lets not forget the best quote ever by Romney's campaign manager, "we will not let this campaign be dictated by fact checkers"

/facepalm

owned

[Yanomamo]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if your so impressed

Why'd you have to go fuck up your credibility with that mistake?

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[*]Created more private sector jobs in 2010 than during entire Bush years



theres a bunch of facts for you. now i understand that while watching only Fox News, you may not be accustomed to things like facts. but there they are.

and no, there are not two sides to the facts as Fox News loves to say. theres only one side to facts, thats why they are facts.

Lol. There aren't two sides to facts, there's just context that makes the facts meaningful -- context you're either intentionally excluding or blissfully ignorant of. Obama created jobs in 2010 that he lost in 2009. For Obama's presidency as a whole, there has been a net gain of 562,000 jobs. As a point of reference, Bush gained 1.1 million jobs in his second term -- and Clinton gained 20+ million in his presidency.

If you want to talk just private sector, Obama lost almost 4.7 million private sector jobs in his first year -- more than any year in two-plus decades. In 2010, he regained 1.2 million of those. You have to be insane to act like that's some sort of accomplishment. We lost nearly 9 million private sector jobs between 2008 and 2009, and you want to act like regaining 1.2 million in 2010 is a bullet point on a list of achievements? It's also totally disingenuous to say that 1.2 million represents more than Bush created in his entire presidency. By that reasoning, you could likewise say that Bush created more private sector jobs in 2006 (and 2005, and 2004) than Obama did in his entire presidency. The problem is that you're isolating an up year for one president and comparing it to a net total for the other.

Your next point will almost certainly be that it's Bush's fault that Obama lost jobs in 2009. Bush lost over 2 million private sector jobs in 2001, but I doubt you'd be interested in attributing that to Clinton.

Anyway, there aren't two sides to facts, but some of those facts re: Obama are cherry picked, phrased, and intentionally misrepresented to make Obama look as good as possible despite the actual context of the situation. This was just one example.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol. There aren't two sides to facts, there's just context that makes the facts meaningful -- context you're either intentionally excluding or blissfully ignorant of. Obama created jobs in 2010 that he lost in 2009. For Obama's presidency as a whole, there has been a net gain of 562,000 jobs. As a point of reference, Bush gained 1.1 million jobs in his second term -- and Clinton gained 20+ million in his presidency.

If you want to talk just private sector, Obama lost almost 4.7 million private sector jobs in his first year -- more than any year in two-plus decades. In 2010, he regained 1.2 million of those. You have to be insane to act like that's some sort of accomplishment. We lost nearly 9 million private sector jobs between 2008 and 2009, and you want to act like regaining 1.2 million in 2010 is a bullet point on a list of achievements? It's also totally disingenuous to say that 1.2 million represents more than Bush created in his entire presidency. By that reasoning, you could likewise say that Bush created more private sector jobs in 2006 (and 2005, and 2004) than Obama did in his entire presidency. The problem is that you're isolating an up year for one president and comparing it to a net total for the other.

Your next point will almost certainly be that it's Bush's fault that Obama lost jobs in 2009. Bush lost over 2 million private sector jobs in 2001, but I doubt you'd be interested in attributing that to Clinton.

Anyway, there aren't two sides to facts, but some of those facts re: Obama are cherry picked, phrased, and intentionally misrepresented to make Obama look as good as possible despite the actual context of the situation. This was just one example.

because yes, 2009 was clearly Obama's fault. im sure 8 years of crazy had nothing to do with that.

under bush we were hemorrhaging 750,000 jobs per month.

and we've had what now, just about 3 years worth of consecutive job growth minus a month here or there ?

any way you slice it, gaining jobs slowly is better than losing 750,000 per month.


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[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

band we've had what now, just about 3 years worth of consecutive job growth minus a month here or there ?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-1...ric-work-force

i'm more than entitled to label dumb twats for what they are

Personally I think insults say more about the insulter than the insultee.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because yes, 2009 was clearly Obama's fault. im sure 8 years of crazy had nothing to do with that.

under bush we were hemorrhaging 750,000 jobs per month.

and we've had what now, just about 3 years worth of consecutive job growth minus a month here or there ?

any way you slice it, gaining jobs slowly is better than losing 750,000 per month

The issue isn't whether or not 2009 was Obama's fault -- and there's a very real argument to be made that he could've done more to minimize the damage. The issue is that you're counting it as an accomplishment that he regained a portion of jobs that had just been lost via a massive recession. Unless you were expecting another Great Depression, that was going to happen no matter who was president.

And we weren't 'hemorrhaging 750,000 jobs per month'. That's a gross misrepresentation. Bush hadn't lost 700,000 jobs in a month at any point of the term until November, after Obama was elected and he was a lame duck president. For Bush's last 3 months, and Obama's first 3 months, we saw the trough of the job market. It wasn't sustainable, and Obama isn't some kind of economic savior for stopping it.

Again, we lost almost 9 million private sector jobs in 2 years. I don't know how much worse you could have possibly expected it to get, unless you expected the entire US economy to fail. This seems to be the way people make a case for Obama. "Pay no attention to what he's actually done... just imagine how much worse it could've been (according to me)". By that logic, praise George W Bush for keeping us all safe. In the very first year of his term, the US suffered its worst ever attack at the hands of foreign enemies. We were hemorrhaging lives (and jobs). If not for Bush, they'd have kept killing us and attacking major American cities. Note: that is ridiculous.

And yes, steady growth beats losses, but what you're not understanding or acknowledging is that our steady growth still has us firmly within the crater of our recession. We're still clawing to get back to where we were in mid-2008 -- something that is inevitable in the aftermath of a recession. That's the way it works. You don't just continue losing jobs forever until there are no jobs left. We already bottomed out. Regaining 1.2 million jobs after losing 8.75 isn't praiseworthy. Citing the 1.2 million and excluding any mention of the 8.75 is disingenuous at best.

[Splorf22]

Sirken, let me see if I understand your points here:

1. You like Obama because he spends money on things you like, like americans with disabilities or or military families to go visit their loved ones. Well, those are called special interest groups. We have another, more obnoxious special interest group: its called the bankers. And Obama/Bernanke together gave them 14 trillion dollars which went directly to bank bonuses for the 0.1%. Gee that seems like about 1000 times more than he gave your guys. I thought Obama was for the little guy . . .

2. You like Obama because he looks out for women and minorities. Guess what: women and minorities are doing fine on their own. Hanna Rosin had an article a full two years ago about how women get 60% of college degrees and are going to be a majority in the workforce soon - she called it the End of Men. The old canard about women making 70 cents for every dollar a man makes has been debunked numerous times: women work fewer hours, take more vacation, dont go into STEM fields as much. I should also mention that Sotomayor is a huge racist: "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life" If a white male had said that about her, he would have been crucified by CNN.

3. You like Obama because he put legislation in place to control the banks. Aside from the facts that he gave them 14 trillion and that Clinton, a Democrat, was the one who repealed Glass-Steagall, what do you think about the robosigning scandal, where Obama's DOJ let the banks off with a slap on the wrist after they fraudulently foreclosed on millions of Americans with fake documents?

4. You like Obama because he 'promotes social responsibility', but how about civil rights. Do you have any comments on Obama and the NDAA?

I think I'm going to leave the final comment to Alexander Fraser Tytler: "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy..."

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirken, let me see if I understand your points here:

you got colored all wrong Splorf. i'm not saying i agree with these things Obama has done, or even that they are good ideas.

i'm just saying that he did in fact do them. again as i said earlier, hes far from the perfect president. but he's better than Romney would be.

i agree with a lot of right policies, i just dont agree with Romney as a human being.

honestly my beliefs would get me tossed out of both parties as some are lefty and some are righty


Kristie / Rubio 2016 may see me batting for the right. who knows. lets see if the right has the balls to get rid of these tea baggers and restore the republican party to what it once was.

but thats not happening in 2012.



(and btw everyone, i know political debates can get heated, and people feel very strongly for whatever side they believe in. i wanna thank everyone for keeping it constructive and mostly clean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] )

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you got colored all wrong Splorf. i'm not saying i agree with these things Obama has done, or even that they are good ideas.

i'm just saying that he did in fact do them. again as i said earlier, hes far from the perfect president. but he's better than Romney would be.

So in my opinion Obama has done everything wrong, and the things I've posted have been major things while your list of things was mostly minor, i.e. letting military people see their families. So it seems you basically agree that Obama has been bad, you just think of Romney as two-timing slime and even worse.

But, lets step back a second. Since Romney has basically promised everything to everyone, what will he do in office? Let's look at Romney's record. He's rescued multiple organizations from bankruptcy and actually invented Obamacare, if you are into that nationalized healthcare thing. If we are comparing records, Romney's is about a million times better. And I prefer to look at what people do rather than what they say.