New (old school) opinion

[pickled_heretic]

The point that I tried to make about slavery was that "If you don't like it, just leave" does not support an argument. If someone views something as genuinely wrong and they are an ethical person, they're not going to leave; they're going to try to change it. Instead of insulting them by telling them they should leave you should try to find reasons why things should stay the way they are. I'm not saying I agree with the OP or anyone else here, I'm just saying that I'm annoyed by the "don't like it? just leave" argument.

[mr.miketastic]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point that I tried to make about slavery was that "If you don't like it, just leave" does not support an argument. If someone views something as genuinely wrong and they are an ethical person, they're not going to leave; they're going to try to change it. Instead of insulting them by telling them they should leave you should try to find reasons why things should stay the way they are. I'm not saying I agree with the OP or anyone else here, I'm just saying that I'm annoyed by the "don't like it? just leave" argument.

Frankly, I am just here to play. I think if the OP had approached the community in a different way, let's say, NOT beating his chest and assuming a pose of superiority then I think there would have been more agreement.

I will admit to being an asshole, and Yukface and Eqgamer. I apologize for writing the inflammatory things I did,and I hope that we can sincerely put this all behind us.

Now, let's think about the issue at hand. Think about root cause. We have more and more players but the content remains static. Throw in the people who can and will lock down certain spawns and camps, and you have frustrated players having to farm platinum to buy the items that they would rather have had the chance to get normally.

New content, like Kunark, should go a long way towards shifting the camps away from the classic content, and thus giving people a better chance of getting drops.
Moreover, the new content will probably necessitate some tweaking of the server rules, so there is the possibility of change in the offing. I think the powers that be could be considering this though they do not publicly state so.

But, at least for me, the rules are the rules and until they change they should be adhered to lest they become more draconian because of actions like training, killstealing and other assorted thuggery.

[eqgamer]

It rather sounds to me that you're making the argument that "Oh, well when Kunark is released, all the asshole farmers will be in Kunark instead and the rest of the suckers that had no chance before can now farm crap items in original."

Let's face it - there is NOTHING ethical about holding a high-value item camp for such long durations via storing items on corpses. There is nothing ethical about "handing off" camps to friends rather than giving it over to the next person in line. I haven't seen a SINGLE group camping the FBSS since I started going to LGuk weeks ago. I'm bound right next to the zone line and visit every night.

And although I haven't been witness to it personally as I'm not 50 and raiding yet, from what I hear, the raiding on this server is a fucking joke. 12+ people AFKing in a zone to "claim" the raid target? Give me a fucking break. Half the fun of original content raiding was the competition and snap-organization that went into downing the spawns. I'd have to question anyone's validity of experiencing original raiding that said otherwise.

And what Pickled said remains true - perhaps throwing your arms up and saying fuck it is acceptable means to handle a situation for yourself - it is not for me. So I'll rant and flame til I'm blue in the face to try to convince even a single person here that the camping rules on this server need changing.

Oh, and on a side note, I found this leak of the original PNP which outlines camping and KSing. How it was back then, and how it should be now, on a true "classic" server. For your viewing pleasure: Original PNP

[mr.miketastic]

Originally Posted by eqgamer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It rather sounds to me that you're making the argument that "Oh, well when Kunark is released, all the asshole farmers will be in Kunark instead and the rest of the suckers that had no chance before can now farm crap items in original."

Let's face it - there is NOTHING ethical about holding a high-value item camp for such long durations via storing items on corpses. There is nothing ethical about "handing off" camps to friends rather than giving it over to the next person in line. I haven't seen a SINGLE group camping the FBSS since I started going to LGuk weeks ago. I'm bound right next to the zone line and visit every night.

And although I haven't been witness to it personally as I'm not 50 and raiding yet, from what I hear, the raiding on this server is a fucking joke. 12+ people AFKing in a zone to "claim" the raid target? Give me a fucking break. Half the fun of original content raiding was the competition and snap-organization that went into downing the spawns. I'd have to question anyone's validity of experiencing original raiding that said otherwise.

And what Pickled said remains true - perhaps throwing your arms up and saying fuck it is acceptable means to handle a situation for yourself - it is not for me. So I'll rant and flame til I'm blue in the face to try to convince even a single person here that the camping rules on this server need changing.

Oh, and on a side note, I found this leak of the original PNP which outlines camping and KSing. How it was back then, and how it should be now, on a true "classic" server. For your viewing pleasure: Original PNP

*shrug* [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[mr.miketastic]

"It rather sounds to me that you're making the argument that "Oh, well when Kunark is released, all the asshole farmers will be in Kunark instead and the rest of the suckers that had no chance before can now farm crap items in original."


If you look a little closer, I also made mention that with the new content, and the influx of more players, the rules might just be revisited. There is also the possibility, since this is a privately run emu that is free of charge, of the rules becoming more restrictive if behavior gets out of hand.

I don't care if farmers like to spend every waking moment of their life camping specific drops/mobs, because this is just a game, and what they are wasting their life on is just pixels. I only want to play and have fun, and my fun is not sweating over competing with people. I have no need to. I will enjoy the game from a more casual perspective and leave it at that, but I will still follow the rules, and if I can't then I will leave.

[eqgamer]

If you've got a casual mindset and couldn't care less about improving your character, then this discussion is moot to you and your input is invalid because the situation does not affect you, obviously.

And while this server is free to play on (which it HAS to be, btw, not just because the devs are generous) - doesn't mean it can't be improved to better reflect what it's intended to emulate.

[jilena]

I don't think that gay ass "let's suck each other's cock and share the camp" PnP shit came out til post Kunark. At least I never encountered anyone who was a big enough asshole to try and abuse it til well into Kunark. Just saying.

I have a necro. I have camped frenz for extended periods of time. Every single time I wanted that camp, I had to log in at the asscrack of dawn, get on the list, and sit there for 4-10 hours until the camp was mine. What the fuck is stopping anyone else from doing this? Just forcing your way in on some guy who has been there for 16 hours with no drop is a pretty dick move imo. If people are being too crazy with storing lore items on corpses maybe make that shit bannable? I don't care about that. Starting the whole forced rotation on exp/loot camps bullshit is gay as fuck. I'd rather have them just remove all rules and let people who can KS do so than be forced to share. *shrug*