BDA wipes to ragefire; claims skill doesn't matter on P99

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Put your money where your mouth is and pull your spies from our forums. If you want competition, act like it. Stop flopping monks/necros around to cloud FTE. Stop rushing past guilds who are clearly prepping for a target when they got there before you did. Stop running trains over other guilds in Fear and Hate hoping someone throws a buff or heal on someone else at the wrong time. Shady tactics employed by TMO, and then whined about by your rules lawyers when its done back to you.

The only holdout on the server against rotating targets across raidguilds and ending the raid douchebaggery once and for all on this server out of some self-serving notion that pixels should be fought over at the expense of people's real-life commitments. Claiming time and time again that anyone showing up to a target with a larger force than you is a no-skill zerg when you know damn well DA had to merge with TMO (and Evil Empire, etc) to keep competing.

And even now, you're trying desperately to twist everything so that people like me and Anthrax -- who are sick of people like you and your guildmates thinking you own the pixels on the server because you bought up two or three raid forces' worth of accounts to park everywhere because apparently that is what counts as mobilization/competition here -- are somehow the bad guys in all of this?

And I'M being a dick?? LOL

Ill answer this by paragraph.

1. This is exactly the hate-mongering and lies I was talking about. There is no truth to your claims. Just impassioned non-reason. BDA is consistently caught blaming TMO on trains when its just BDA training themselves. As far as Shady Tactics go, TMO only complains when 1-4 BDA members in the zone get FTE and get the kill. That is a real shady tactic and something TMO has never done to BDA.

2. Raid rotations would be detrimental to the guild and even members of your guild don't support you(i.e. Forceful entry). Classic Eq was always about competition prior to instancing.

3. More hate-mongering and mistruths. In what world does BDA make TMO desperate? TMO only claims ownership of the pixels it earns. We also think BDA owns the pixels it earns. The problem seems to be that you want to force your ideas of pixel ownership on the server. You think for some insane reason that youhave the right to take the raid team we built and the mobs we dominate and divvy them out to the server. TMO is of the belief that if you want pixels "come earn them". This isn't WOW.
Also, a very very small percentage of TMO members have bought an alt account. A vast majority has leveled multiple characters...If you don't believe it...or don't want to believe it. Too bad, this server has been out for years.

4. Yes you are the dick.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. This is exactly the hate-mongering and lies I was talking about. There is no truth to your claims. Just impassioned non-reason. BDA is consistently caught blaming TMO on trains when its just BDA training themselves. As far as Shady Tactics go, TMO only complains when 1-4 BDA members in the zone get FTE and get the kill. That is a real shady tactic and something TMO has never done to BDA.

Spin, spin, deflect, spin. TMO are angels and have never ever employed shady tactics. We all know the drill.... LOL.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. Raid rotations would be detrimental to the guild and even members of your guild don't support you(i.e. Forceful entry). Classic Eq was always about competition prior to instancing.

Really? Take a poll of the raid guilds on the server -- I think you might be surprised. Other guilds... feel free to chime in here. And by other guilds, I mean the ones besides the guilds being shadow-led by TMO members (Taken, did you get Jeremy booted out?) because they Take the Game Way Too Seriously (tm).

The members of my guild who don't support this are no longer members of my guild. Best of luck to them, though, I hope they give you the competition you desire... maybe without you planting spies into their forums because you consistently Take The Game Way Too Seriously (tm). Unless you can't compete without an unfair advantage, I suppose.

There is plenty of documented evidence on classic EQ where servers had civil raid rotations/calenders, etc. You're selectively choosing to only recognize the servers where that level of "play nice/cooperation" did not exist. So stop sitting here and trying to tell everyone there was "competition" at this level on every server back in classic EQ, you and I both know it's not true.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3. More hate-mongering and mistruths. In what world does BDA make TMO desperate? TMO only claims ownership of the pixels it earns. We also think BDA owns the pixels it earns. The problem seems to be that you want to force your ideas of pixel ownership on the server. You think for some insane reason that youhave the right to take the raid team we built and the mobs we dominate and divvy them out to the server. TMO is of the belief that if you want pixels "come earn them". This isn't WOW.

More self-righteous assertions that the way TMO chooses to play is the way everyone else on the server should be forced to play. You have no more right to dictate that everyone should earn pixels the way you decide than I have to say that the server would be more fun for everyone else if this horseshit didn't occur. The only difference between you and I is that your guild is in a position to deny the rest of the server an opportunity at any sort of distribution of raid targets other than "you have to earn them the way we dictate to you that you need to earn them." Yet, somehow that makes me a dick.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, a very very small percentage of TMO members have bought an alt account. A vast majority has leveled multiple characters...If you don't believe it...or don't want to believe it. Too bad, this server has been out for years.

Like I expect you to say "Yes, we bought tons of characters so we can camp out at multiple targets to help us 'mobilize' faster."

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4. Yes you are the dick.

Frankly, it doesn't even matter, since I barely play anymore. Why? Because the M.O. of TMO is not to encourage and cultivate a competitive spirit among guilds... it is to play dirty, spin doctor and rules lawyer everything, insert spies into guild forums, and post RL private pics in public until the other guilds get fed up with it and wash their hands of the entire raid scene until there is no other competition. There is a whole history of this in RNF for those of us who have been keeping score. And when they get called out on it, the response is "no... YOU'RE THE DICK!" LOL... laughable at best.

There are two categories of people who read this drivel in RNF anyway: TMO and people who have had this shit done to them by TMO. The latter I don't have to convince... they know it's true. The former, I'm never going to out-spin the spin-doctoring experts, nor am I going to convince the good people in TMO to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

This is just another attempt by TMO spin doctors to justify to their sheep that the rest of the server does not despise them by beating their chests and pointing their fingers outward instead of inward.

One thing I know for certain -- the campaigns of both presidential candidates really missed out by not scouting P99 RNF... they could have hired a few vocal TMO thugs and locked up the election for their candidate, haha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spin, spin, deflect, spin. TMO are angels and have never ever employed shady tactics. We all know the drill.... LOL.



Really? Take a poll of the raid guilds on the server -- I think you might be surprised. Other guilds... feel free to chime in here. And by other guilds, I mean the ones besides the guilds being shadow-led by TMO members (Taken, did you get Jeremy booted out?) because they Take the Game Way Too Seriously (tm).

The members of my guild who don't support this are no longer members of my guild. Best of luck to them, though, I hope they give you the competition you desire... maybe without you planting spies into their forums because you consistently Take The Game Way Too Seriously (tm). Unless you can't compete without an unfair advantage, I suppose.

There is plenty of documented evidence on classic EQ where servers had civil raid rotations/calenders, etc. You're selectively choosing to only recognize the servers where that level of "play nice/cooperation" did not exist. So stop sitting here and trying to tell everyone there was "competition" at this level on every server back in classic EQ, you and I both know it's not true.



More self-righteous assertions that the way TMO chooses to play is the way everyone else on the server should be forced to play. You have no more right to dictate that everyone should earn pixels the way you decide than I have to say that the server would be more fun for everyone else if this horseshit didn't occur. The only difference between you and I is that your guild is in a position to deny the rest of the server an opportunity at any sort of distribution of raid targets other than "you have to earn them the way we dictate to you that you need to earn them." Yet, somehow that makes me a dick.



Like I expect you to say "Yes, we bought tons of characters so we can camp out at multiple targets to help us 'mobilize' faster."



Frankly, it doesn't even matter, since I barely play anymore. Why? Because the M.O. of TMO is not to encourage and cultivate a competitive spirit among guilds... it is to play dirty, spin doctor and rules lawyer everything, insert spies into guild forums, and post RL private pics in public until the other guilds get fed up with it and wash their hands of the entire raid scene until there is no other competition. There is a whole history of this in RNF for those of us who have been keeping score. And when they get called out on it, the response is "no... YOU'RE THE DICK!" LOL... laughable at best.

There are two categories of people who read this drivel in RNF anyway: TMO and people who have had this shit done to them by TMO. The latter I don't have to convince... they know it's true. The former, I'm never going to out-spin the spin-doctoring experts, nor am I going to convince the good people in TMO to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

This is just another attempt by TMO spin doctors to justify to their sheep that the rest of the server does not despise them by beating their chests and pointing their fingers outward instead of inward.

One thing I know for certain -- the campaigns of both presidential candidates really missed out by not scouting P99 RNF... they could have hired a few vocal TMO thugs and locked up the election for their candidate, haha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What other raid guilds?

Your documented evidence is from Post Velious times. Not during classic times. Stop spinning/lying.

The way we play is the way the server raid rules have dictated. Also, roughly the way we played on live, and the way any uber guild played on live. Just like classic the casual guilds got the old content.
If the other raid guilds were serious about raiding they could easily set up a raid team/batphone/whatever to be competitive.
It's what TMO did.

More conspiracy theories are you and hatelores bunkmates?

You are pretty much a senseless idiot. The only people drinking Kool-aid on this server are you and your cronies.
TMO doesn't mindlessly hate BDA players just because they are BDA. However, your VD culture persuades BDA members to blame us for training them even when they are training themselves.

You and your cronies are parasite on this server and you feed off the perceived slights TMO has made against you. You are nothing but a thoughtless self-righteous cancer to BDA and the server.

The best part is I warned Sadad and Sanluen about what was going to happen to their guild culture if they let in people like you and anthrax. Sucks to be right sometimes.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spin, spin, deflect, spin. TMO are angels and have never ever employed shady tactics. We all know the drill.... LOL.



Really? Take a poll of the raid guilds on the server -- I think you might be surprised. Other guilds... feel free to chime in here. And by other guilds, I mean the ones besides the guilds being shadow-led by TMO members (Taken, did you get Jeremy booted out?) because they Take the Game Way Too Seriously (tm).

The members of my guild who don't support this are no longer members of my guild. Best of luck to them, though, I hope they give you the competition you desire... maybe without you planting spies into their forums because you consistently Take The Game Way Too Seriously (tm). Unless you can't compete without an unfair advantage, I suppose.

There is plenty of documented evidence on classic EQ where servers had civil raid rotations/calenders, etc. You're selectively choosing to only recognize the servers where that level of "play nice/cooperation" did not exist. So stop sitting here and trying to tell everyone there was "competition" at this level on every server back in classic EQ, you and I both know it's not true.



More self-righteous assertions that the way TMO chooses to play is the way everyone else on the server should be forced to play. You have no more right to dictate that everyone should earn pixels the way you decide than I have to say that the server would be more fun for everyone else if this horseshit didn't occur. The only difference between you and I is that your guild is in a position to deny the rest of the server an opportunity at any sort of distribution of raid targets other than "you have to earn them the way we dictate to you that you need to earn them." Yet, somehow that makes me a dick.



Like I expect you to say "Yes, we bought tons of characters so we can camp out at multiple targets to help us 'mobilize' faster."



Frankly, it doesn't even matter, since I barely play anymore. Why? Because the M.O. of TMO is not to encourage and cultivate a competitive spirit among guilds... it is to play dirty, spin doctor and rules lawyer everything, insert spies into guild forums, and post RL private pics in public until the other guilds get fed up with it and wash their hands of the entire raid scene until there is no other competition. There is a whole history of this in RNF for those of us who have been keeping score. And when they get called out on it, the response is "no... YOU'RE THE DICK!" LOL... laughable at best.

There are two categories of people who read this drivel in RNF anyway: TMO and people who have had this shit done to them by TMO. The latter I don't have to convince... they know it's true. The former, I'm never going to out-spin the spin-doctoring experts, nor am I going to convince the good people in TMO to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

This is just another attempt by TMO spin doctors to justify to their sheep that the rest of the server does not despise them by beating their chests and pointing their fingers outward instead of inward.

One thing I know for certain -- the campaigns of both presidential candidates really missed out by not scouting P99 RNF... they could have hired a few vocal TMO thugs and locked up the election for their candidate, haha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spin, spin, deflect, spin. TMO are angels and have never ever employed shady tactics. We all know the drill.... LOL.



Really? Take a poll of the raid guilds on the server -- I think you might be surprised. Other guilds... feel free to chime in here. And by other guilds, I mean the ones besides the guilds being shadow-led by TMO members (Taken, did you get Jeremy booted out?) because they Take the Game Way Too Seriously (tm).

The members of my guild who don't support this are no longer members of my guild. Best of luck to them, though, I hope they give you the competition you desire... maybe without you planting spies into their forums because you consistently Take The Game Way Too Seriously (tm). Unless you can't compete without an unfair advantage, I suppose.

There is plenty of documented evidence on classic EQ where servers had civil raid rotations/calenders, etc. You're selectively choosing to only recognize the servers where that level of "play nice/cooperation" did not exist. So stop sitting here and trying to tell everyone there was "competition" at this level on every server back in classic EQ, you and I both know it's not true.



More self-righteous assertions that the way TMO chooses to play is the way everyone else on the server should be forced to play. You have no more right to dictate that everyone should earn pixels the way you decide than I have to say that the server would be more fun for everyone else if this horseshit didn't occur. The only difference between you and I is that your guild is in a position to deny the rest of the server an opportunity at any sort of distribution of raid targets other than "you have to earn them the way we dictate to you that you need to earn them." Yet, somehow that makes me a dick.



Like I expect you to say "Yes, we bought tons of characters so we can camp out at multiple targets to help us 'mobilize' faster."



Frankly, it doesn't even matter, since I barely play anymore. Why? Because the M.O. of TMO is not to encourage and cultivate a competitive spirit among guilds... it is to play dirty, spin doctor and rules lawyer everything, insert spies into guild forums, and post RL private pics in public until the other guilds get fed up with it and wash their hands of the entire raid scene until there is no other competition. There is a whole history of this in RNF for those of us who have been keeping score. And when they get called out on it, the response is "no... YOU'RE THE DICK!" LOL... laughable at best.

There are two categories of people who read this drivel in RNF anyway: TMO and people who have had this shit done to them by TMO. The latter I don't have to convince... they know it's true. The former, I'm never going to out-spin the spin-doctoring experts, nor am I going to convince the good people in TMO to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

This is just another attempt by TMO spin doctors to justify to their sheep that the rest of the server does not despise them by beating their chests and pointing their fingers outward instead of inward.

One thing I know for certain -- the campaigns of both presidential candidates really missed out by not scouting P99 RNF... they could have hired a few vocal TMO thugs and locked up the election for their candidate, haha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. mob rotation would kill p99 because TMO would leave because there wouldn't be a point in playing anymore for 1-2 mobs a week. Would make being a hardcore raid guild pointless - go play wow if you want softcore pussy shit.

2. Yendor you're a fucking retard. Just die in a car fire already.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spin, spin, deflect, spin. TMO are angels and have never ever employed shady tactics. We all know the drill.... LOL.



Really? Take a poll of the raid guilds on the server -- I think you might be surprised. Other guilds... feel free to chime in here. And by other guilds, I mean the ones besides the guilds being shadow-led by TMO members (Taken, did you get Jeremy booted out?) because they Take the Game Way Too Seriously (tm).

The members of my guild who don't support this are no longer members of my guild. Best of luck to them, though, I hope they give you the competition you desire... maybe without you planting spies into their forums because you consistently Take The Game Way Too Seriously (tm). Unless you can't compete without an unfair advantage, I suppose.

There is plenty of documented evidence on classic EQ where servers had civil raid rotations/calenders, etc. You're selectively choosing to only recognize the servers where that level of "play nice/cooperation" did not exist. So stop sitting here and trying to tell everyone there was "competition" at this level on every server back in classic EQ, you and I both know it's not true.



More self-righteous assertions that the way TMO chooses to play is the way everyone else on the server should be forced to play. You have no more right to dictate that everyone should earn pixels the way you decide than I have to say that the server would be more fun for everyone else if this horseshit didn't occur. The only difference between you and I is that your guild is in a position to deny the rest of the server an opportunity at any sort of distribution of raid targets other than "you have to earn them the way we dictate to you that you need to earn them." Yet, somehow that makes me a dick.



Like I expect you to say "Yes, we bought tons of characters so we can camp out at multiple targets to help us 'mobilize' faster."



Frankly, it doesn't even matter, since I barely play anymore. Why? Because the M.O. of TMO is not to encourage and cultivate a competitive spirit among guilds... it is to play dirty, spin doctor and rules lawyer everything, insert spies into guild forums, and post RL private pics in public until the other guilds get fed up with it and wash their hands of the entire raid scene until there is no other competition. There is a whole history of this in RNF for those of us who have been keeping score. And when they get called out on it, the response is "no... YOU'RE THE DICK!" LOL... laughable at best.

There are two categories of people who read this drivel in RNF anyway: TMO and people who have had this shit done to them by TMO. The latter I don't have to convince... they know it's true. The former, I'm never going to out-spin the spin-doctoring experts, nor am I going to convince the good people in TMO to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

This is just another attempt by TMO spin doctors to justify to their sheep that the rest of the server does not despise them by beating their chests and pointing their fingers outward instead of inward.

One thing I know for certain -- the campaigns of both presidential candidates really missed out by not scouting P99 RNF... they could have hired a few vocal TMO thugs and locked up the election for their candidate, haha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I look at a post like this briefly and think to myself, "wow I can't imagine all the more productive things you could've done with your time other then type that up" Not to pick you out of the many idiots who waste their time trying to change whats obviously set in stone, just sayin.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Put your money where your mouth is and pull your spies from our forums. If you want competition, act like it. Stop flopping monks/necros around to cloud FTE. Stop rushing past guilds who are clearly prepping for a target when they got there before you did. Stop running trains over other guilds in Fear and Hate hoping someone throws a buff or heal on someone else at the wrong time. Shady tactics employed by TMO, and then whined about by your rules lawyers when its done back to you.

The only holdout on the server against rotating targets across raidguilds and ending the raid douchebaggery once and for all on this server out of some self-serving notion that pixels should be fought over at the expense of people's real-life commitments. Claiming time and time again that anyone showing up to a target with a larger force than you is a no-skill zerg when you know damn well DA had to merge with TMO (and Evil Empire, etc) to keep competing.

And even now, you're trying desperately to twist everything so that people like me and Anthrax -- who are sick of people like you and your guildmates thinking you own the pixels on the server because you bought up two or three raid forces' worth of accounts to park everywhere because apparently that is what counts as mobilization/competition here -- are somehow the bad guys in all of this?

And I'M being a dick?? LOL

ITT: Yendor says, "you want competition, give us a rotation!"