So that's it for the election. - Page 5

Triangle · #1 10-17-2012, 03:17 AM

Ya after reading those stats closely they are not counting 61 electoral votes toward either candidate which they deem "tossup". the 217 they label "strong obama" i would have to say are guaranteed obama after looking at them. Out of the "leans Obama" states I would also say penn is very likely to go to Obama as well as Iowa.

Acillatem · #2 10-17-2012, 03:24 AM

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a) stock market up 50%; b) deficit decreased (not sure on %); c) unemployment decreased significantly; d) nothing majorly bad happened, even if you dont like obama care; d) bin laden killed; e) out of iraq

a) correct
b) Federal Deficit was 455 billion when Obama took office. In 2011 it was 1.3 trillion. A 300% increase in gov't spending under Obama. (Currently @ 1.1T, but since the year isn't over I went with 2011 statistics - doesn't really matter tho....)
c) Unemployment Rate this time 2008 was 6.1%. Currently at 7.8%. 1.7% increase in unemployment under Obama.

The rest is irrelevant as the President was a non-factor, or it was already in the works when Obama took office.

Just sayin...

Triangle · #3 10-17-2012, 03:32 AM

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a) correct
b) Federal Deficit was 455 billion when Obama took office. In 2011 it was 1.3 trillion. A 300% increase in gov't spending under Obama. (Currently @ 1.1T, but since the year isn't over I went with 2011 statistics - doesn't really matter tho....)
c) Unemployment Rate this time 2008 was 6.1%. Currently at 7.8%. 1.7% increase in unemployment under Obama.

The rest is irrelevant as the President was a non-factor, or it was already in the works when Obama took office.

Just sayin...

Ya you seem to be correct on 2 and 3. I should've done my research but I take issue to Bin laden's death being a non-factor because it plays on our emotions.

Secondly and more importantly, you can argue that things "already in the works" when Obama took office do not merely include things that are good, like Bin Laden's death and removal from Iraq, but also things that are bad like the debt increase and unemployment increase. It may be the case that debt increases and unemployment increases were also "already in the works".

Lucky · #4 10-17-2012, 03:30 AM

You have to recall Romney was a relative unknown until to a vast majority of Americans until the GOP convention and these debates. Obama has had 4+ years of Messiah worship from everyone besides Fox News.

My 150 prediction may have been a bit high. But a good 100 or so; the margin will continue to close.

Obama's only trick at this point is an October surprise.

Reiker000 · #5 10-17-2012, 03:31 AM

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You have to recall Romney was a relative unknown until to a vast majority of Americans until the GOP convention and these debates.

It's astounding just how out of touch you are with the world.

Lucky · #6 10-17-2012, 03:36 AM

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It's astounding just how out of touch you are with the world.

No, it's astounding how out of touch the American people are, especially when it comes to matters of politics. Romney's been on my radar for years, and I guess of the "establishment" candidates it's not a shock he got this years Republican nomination.

Also all those droves of people that came out for Obama when he barely won in 2008... most of them are now disillusioned. Many won't show up, or will have an "anyone BUT Obama" mentality.

My impression: they're both slimy used car salesman types. But everyone knows that about Obama, Romney has a cleaner slate and a lot more mud to sling.

Triangle · #7 10-17-2012, 03:39 AM

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Obama... barely won in 2008...

Okay Okay, are you serious dude. He has 365 electoral votes to McCain's 173.

Triangle · #8 10-17-2012, 03:42 AM

Secondly on that point, they basically announced the election was over before the entire west coast was in. That means the entire west coast could have voted for McCain and Obama still would have won, including California!!!

Lucky · #9 10-17-2012, 03:44 AM

McCain gave up in the final legs of the race, but Obama still only took 52% of the popular. In the last 2 weeks he outspent McCain 10 to 1 in swing states. If spending had been the same, McCain would have got the few %'s needed to pull more swings on his side (not that I think he could have won then anyways, because of the amoutn of media worship for Obama). But the thing is, he can't pull that tactic with Romney who has the cash to stand with him.

Triangle · #10 10-17-2012, 03:49 AM

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McCain gave up in the final legs of the race, but Obama still only took 52% of the popular. In the last 2 weeks he outspent McCain 10 to 1 in swing states. If spending had been the same, McCain would have got the few %'s needed to pull more swings on his side (not that I think he could have won then anyways, because of the amoutn of media worship for Obama). But the thing is, he can't pull that tactic with Romney who has the cash to stand with him.

Come on, not the whole "you only won because we stopped trying" thing.