Starting a warrior

[President]

Originally Posted by bcaldwe0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, very interesting conversation. I guess the theme here is that warriors are better if planning for long term. Pallys/sk is better now. that is alot to think about. Shamans also sound interesting hahahaha. I started a dwarf war and stated all 25 points to sta, should I reroll and add dex?

One thing that was brought up in another thread is that once you start to get end game gear, the main stats for each class gets easy to max out with gear + buffs. Generally, STA/STR for warriors(Though, I honestly havent paid close enough attention to see how close my STA is maxed with buffs and nearly full indo). Dex is one that doesn't easily get maxed out and can be very useful for holding aggro. So, I am not going to tell you what to do, but take it into consideration.

Also take into consideration that leveling a SK or Pally takes quite a bit longer than a warrior due to the XP penalties.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by bcaldwe0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, very interesting conversation. I guess the theme here is that warriors are better if planning for long term. Pallys/sk is better now. that is alot to think about. Shamans also sound interesting hahahaha. I started a dwarf war and stated all 25 points to sta, should I reroll and add dex?

When you get your warrior rolled how you want, or pally or sk for that matter if you change your mind, post your char name here or PM me....I may have some old gear for you to help you get started.

[Omnimorph]

Warriors are better tanks, but they aren't preferred by dps classes because dps classes then have to actually think about what they're doing. Gotta gage the mobs hp etc for nuking, can't just autoattack straight away etc.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Omnimorph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warriors are better tanks, but they aren't preferred by dps classes because dps classes then have to actually think about what they're doing. Gotta gage the mobs hp etc for nuking, can't just autoattack straight away etc.

So they're not better than hybrids? A group that is maxing DPS from the get go is going to kill faster and that's going to mean more efficiency all around.

[Stickyfingers]

I think he is saying Warriors are better tanks because they mitigate damage better? Aggro isn't the only thing tanks have to worry about.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Stickyfingers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think he is saying Warriors are better tanks because they mitigate damage better? Aggro isn't the only thing tanks have to worry about.

It's an open equation right now because there are 2 variables: damage mitigation and the rate at which you kill. Both of these increase the mana efficiency of the healer. If you're having to hold back on DPS, you're going to lose the edge having a better mitigation gives you.

[YendorLootmonkey]

You could just force aggro on the warrior (although it makes him feel like an adult riding a bike with training wheels) by using root and making sure he is the closest one to the mob for proximity aggro. Multiple classes can cast it, including a mage's earth pet. Rangers have the perfect weapons for it... I was gonna put away my Ebony Bladed Swords that proc Ensaring Roots, but actually they're kinda useful with a warrior tank in the group.

Otherwise, as mentioned above, your DPS classes are going to have to wait way too long to engage and the mob lives longer, thus increasing the loss of the group's collective HP pool, which is killing your efficiency.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could just force aggro on the warrior (although it makes him feel like an adult riding a bike with training wheels) by using root and making sure he is the closest one to the mob for proximity aggro. Multiple classes can cast it, including a mage's earth pet. Rangers have the perfect weapons for it... I was gonna put away my Ebony Bladed Swords that proc Ensaring Roots, but actually they're kinda useful with a warrior tank in the group.

Yeah, and root is such a sloppy way to do it. With all that nuking going on it's definitely going to break a couple of times. Please put the Eblades away when I'm tanking =)

[Omnimorph]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, and root is such a sloppy way to do it. With all that nuking going on it's definitely going to break a couple of times. Please put the Eblades away when I'm tanking =)

Only if you have aggro!

And Warriors tank fine at the higher levels. By that time wizards think twice before casting a nuke that could have a mob hitting them for 120s [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chanters tank fine. We have tash too.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, and root is such a sloppy way to do it. With all that nuking going on it's definitely going to break a couple of times. Please put the Eblades away when I'm tanking =)

If a warrior needs root to "hold aggro" (and I put that in quotes because it's not really holding aggro), then chances are the mob is ping-ponging around from the nuking anyway, so there's really no difference, is there?

At least with the eblades, when root breaks, the ranger is most likely taking the hits and not one of your casters, giving you a chance to re-aggro without getting a robe-wearer killed.

However, note I'm not going to get into an argument over whether rangers can mitigate damage better than a caster. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]