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Old 10-03-2012, 06:43 PM
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The biggest problem with America is that it's filled with people like this guy.
I'm so glad that you picked one thing to bash out of my statement but ignored the other facts. I just said I watched the video and it showed insight as do most documentaries. I know damn right there are many biased video's and media coverage out there. I simply said "Obama has a different dream for America". Four years ago when Obama said "Change has come to America" I believe that he wants us to go to a European Socialized nation. How else do you explain people not working and living DEPENDENTLY off the Government?

If you can't agree with me from the above statement then I think you have missed the bus completely.

The problem is simply that people don't want to work. We have too many American's feeding from the government right now and they are stuck in a rut.

A rut meaning they would rather sit on their lazy asses and do nothing to live. Rather then to work for the same amount or more wages. This is the ENTIRE essence on why our economy is failing. When people don't have the money to buy merchandise from small businesses because they only have an EBT card and are broke as shit.

Bailouts and increasing the taxes will never help this problem It's only feeding a monster that continues to grow.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:49 PM
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How else do you explain people not working and living DEPENDENTLY off the Government?
Level of Employment down

Wage rate down

Rate of Profit up

Unemployed people need to eat

Government taxes Employed people to feed Unemployed

Wage rate further suppressed

Rate of Profit goes up


But what you said makes great sense too...
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:00 PM
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Then it wasn't funny. Shouldn't you be begging people for money to incentivize you to write a book or something?



You're right, all those millions of people who are applying to every shit job available and being turned down from all of them are just lazy. So are those people who put in 4+ difficult years of college and completed a degree who can't find a job. Damn people, why don't they just get off their lazy asses and uh... get someone who isn't hiring to hire them!
...Sounds like you were an Art Major?
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:07 PM
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...Sounds like you were an Art Major?
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:58 PM
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Then it wasn't funny. Shouldn't you be begging people for money to incentivize you to write a book or something?



You're right, all those millions of people who are applying to every shit job available and being turned down from all of them are just lazy. So are those people who put in 4+ difficult years of college and completed a degree who can't find a job. Damn people, why don't they just get off their lazy asses and uh... get someone who isn't hiring to hire them!
Haha, I was with you until the difficult years of college. College in America is an absolute joke and a serious contributor to the state of our economic decay. We drive the costs up by promising every idiot kid that he'll get however much college loan money he needs to secure an education, then we act surprised when a bottom-of-the-barrel intellect has trouble paying back a quarter of a million dollars in loans.

A college education is not a fast track to excellence or high paying jobs anymore. It's a training ground where young adults have to prove they can read, write, and not do anything egregiously stupid before being ushered into their future careers. College today is what high school was in the 50s. We need to stop treating every kid that wants to go to college like he's a future MD and start treating him like the overwhelming likelihood that he will earn roughly $50,000 a year at his peak, assuming he is fortunate enough to find work.

The college system needs to be reformed. The private system is fine, but the loan system is not. If you want to secure loans for a private college education, there should be some massive hurdles to clear -- particularly in the form of standardized tests. Guarantee gradated loans to the top 10% based on standardized testing. The rest can go to public universities, community college, or enter the work force. There is no shortage of positions for manual laborers. But we don't need 20 million arts and crafts graduates of podunk private universities with massive debt that will turn them into slaves for the rest of their lives.

Of course, this will never change because once you guarantee loans for everyone, you can't roll it back and tell parents of dumb kids that their kid doesn't deserve enormous loans for an education they almost definitely don't need and won't utilize. And the corporate world doesn't want it to change, because so long as kids come out of school with debts in the tens of thousands of dollars and unsubsidized interest rates of 8%, they're going to have to take whatever job pays them enough to service that debt. We've got kids forced into careers they don't want the minute they get out of school.

Aside from the obvious impacts that has on the economy, IMO it also has seriously damaged the growth of economy by eliminating potential entrepreneurs. I'm not some hardcore Repub that pushes small business owners like they're Jesus's apostles, but when almost every kid coming out of college is left with a loan that forces them to take an entry-level job, you're obviously eliminating the opportunity for a lot of those kids to put together a plan to start their own businesses or be innovative in any way. They simply can't afford to take out even more loans to drop on a business idea that may fail when they already have loan payments to make.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:01 AM
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I agree with you completely. To the people who are going to college for "Arts" and "Crafts" and decide to go to a private school taking out 75k in student loans thinking that you will be "GUARANTEED" a job when you get out is ludicrous. When you decide you are ready for college do your research and find a job that is in need. Most people have delusions of grandeur when they think a big businesses are going to hire them.

I'm 26 have 2 jobs that I don't necessarily love, but I have a backup plan. If something along the way jumps out at me I can take it. Whats the worst that can happen? I go back to working in the hospital setting and make great money and great benefits and I can support my family?

It's all about the decisions you make in life.

Furthermore, if you don't want to be 26 living with your parents and living off the government in your own sorrows. Don't go to school for something stupid as hell.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:11 AM
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To Daldolma:
I agree with you completely. To the people who are going to college for "Arts" and "Crafts" and decide to go to a private school taking out 75k in student loans thinking that you will be "GUARANTEED" a job when you get out is ludicrous. When you decide you are ready for college do your research and find a job that is in need. Most people have delusions of grandeur when they think a big businesses are going to hire them.

I'm 26 have 2 jobs that I don't necessarily love, but I have a backup plan. If something along the way jumps out at me I can take it. Whats the worst that can happen? I go back to working in the hospital setting and make great money and great benefits and I can support my family?

It's all about the decisions you make in life.

Furthermore, if you don't want to be 26 living with your parents and living off the government in your own sorrows. Don't go to school for something stupid as hell.
I agree that the sense of entitlement that college grads tend to have is pretty ridiculous. You don't deserve a high-paying job because you spent four years playing Halo and writing essays about Foucault. You've got to hustle to find quality job opportunities.

But at the same time, I don't have any problem with people studying stupid subjects in college. The truth is, what you study doesn't really matter. The rate of unemployment for STEM college graduates is actually higher than it is for your average college graduate. Generally speaking, you're not going to get a job based on your undergraduate major no matter what it is -- most employers just want to see that you've gone to college and are capable of performing the basic tasks required to not fail out or be expelled. Again, that's generally speaking. Of course there are certain fields where your major matters, but most people aren't engineers or doctors or astronauts -- they're Walmart managers or secretaries or teachers.

That being the case, there's no reason to be perpetuating a college loan system that results in low-potential students having access to essentially unlimited loans that a) vastly inflate the costs of attendance, b) cost the taxpayer vast amounts of money, and c) leave the student with unreasonable loan burdens that limit their career choices the minute they graduate.
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