ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Prince]

also so dum that dorne and its royalty apparently are v important and play a large role in whats going to happen and they basically werent mentioned until fifth book

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Prince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also so dum that dorne and its royalty apparently are v important and play a large role in whats going to happen and they basically werent mentioned until fifth book

err, thats not true at all. we start to really sink our teeth into Dorne in book 3. (hello red viper) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Prince]

"he's a eunuch, not a faceless man :P"

theres a TON of circumstantial evidence pointing to him being a faceless man, eg his extraordinary ability for disguise (like when he visits ned in the dungeons as jailer and neds like who da fuk are you then feels the stubble on his chin)

[Dalven]

do u have any opinions on the two horns? (one for the wall (ice), and one for dragons (fire)), hence "A Song of Ice and Fire"

Sam has the ice horn, Victarian has the fire horn.

Victarion is a bad ass. i'm thinking him and Dany will arrange some kind of deal where Victarion lets Dany use his ships to get to Westeros and in exchange Dany will maybe help him remove Euron so that Victarion may sit the throne on Pyke?

Victarion is definitely a bad ass - all this mad stuff with his black smoking hand and his involvement with the red priest have made him infinitely more interesting. I agree that his ships will be involved with getting Dany to Westeros although I think Euron is to subtle to believe that Victarion will just do his bidding and will guess that he will try to take Dany for himself. Euron definitely has some double cross in the works. It'll be interesting to see how Victarion uses the horn to control the dragons, or whether Dany eventually gets a hold of it.

Sam's horn will apparently bring down the wall if used but is in Oldtown with him. I believe the wall is destined to fall, as the Others need this to happen to threaten the rest of the Seven Kingdoms, so it will be used at some point.

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Originally Posted by Prince
also i dont think the horn sam has is the ice horn
i'd bet both my lungs against one of your kidneys that youre wrong. the fake ice horn was destroyed with the fake mance in the very real fire. theres a reason Sam took that horn to the citadel, and theres a reason Jaqan H'agar killed pate, and has been lingering around Sam. the horn is broken remember, but the Maesters have magic again cause there are dragons in the world again, therefore the horn can be repaired.

It is 100% the horn. The other mysterious thing about the horn is why it was found with a bunch of obsidian arrow heads and wrapped in a black cloak on the Fist of the First Men. Jaqen's presence in Oldtown is intriguing, makes you wonder what the Faceless Men's stake is and how that'll impact Arya.

got any opinions on anything involving Harrold Harding (harold the heir), Sansa Stark, Baelish, the queen of thorns? i think Baelish and that thorny tyrell bitch are up to something, i think Joffrey was only the first part of their plan. i believe they intend to divide westeros, the South to the Tyrells, and the north to Baelish, via the marriage of Sansa Stark, and the last male kin of the Arryn blood line, Harold.

Who know's what Baelish's other motives are other than eventual power and an infatuation with Sansa. I don't think he is in with the Queen of Thorns as they are in deep with the Lannisters now. Perhaps he's deliberately played the Tyrrels as well as he's played the Lannisters by tying them into each other with marriage and ensuring mutual downfall. Sansa is definitely becoming smarter in A Feast for Crows, it'll be interesting to see if she lets Littlefinger kill Robert Arryn with that sweetmilk.

touche. i will admit, the first 4 books i read a very long time ago, theres gonna be some details i apparently forgot. While he doesnt strike me as a faceless man, i won't rule it. i'll even put on my nerd badge and investigate this because u got me curious

Certainly evidence that Varys is a Faceless Man but even if he's acquired the skills I'm not convinced he is one, or at least not anymore. I'm not sure what the Faceless Men's interest in the fate of Westeros would be.

people have sailed near valyria. personally i think that when we actually land and explore the ruins we will find the long lost lannister valaryian steel sword that was lost. but not much more than that. GRRM already said no new PoV characters for 6 and 7. the only ones in a position to explore it are Tyrion and Mormont, or Victarion and Dany. ALSO, i personally wanna see Assai before the busted ruins of old valyria.

I also believe that we will get to see Valyria, or at least hear detail from someone who has been there. A lot of mentions have been made about Tyrion's uncle Gerion over the course of the books - I think we'll at least find out what happened to him.

[Sirken]

Victarion is definitely a bad ass - all this mad stuff with his black smoking hand and his involvement with the red priest have made him infinitely more interesting. I agree that his ships will be involved with getting Dany to Westeros although I think Euron is to subtle to believe that Victarion will just do his bidding and will guess that he will try to take Dany for himself. Euron definitely has some double cross in the works. It'll be interesting to see how Victarion uses the horn to control the dragons, or whether Dany eventually gets a hold of it.

good call on Euron. as much as i dont like him, he is smart. and hes gotta be smart enough to have an insurance policy against Victarion. will surely be interesting to see this play out.

Sam's horn will apparently bring down the wall if used but is in Oldtown with him. I believe the wall is destined to fall, as the Others need this to happen to threaten the rest of the Seven Kingdoms, so it will be used at some point.

do we know for certain that the horn of winter brings down the wall? for some reason i always figured it was used to raising some sleeping beast or beasts. we have this quote:

"The Horn of Winter, also known as the Horn of Joramun, is a legendary horn with magical properties. It was supposedly blown by Joramun, a wildling King-Beyond-the-Wall. When he blew it, he woke the giants from the earth."

i feel it was the wildings who added the bit about it bringing down the wall. but i could be easily wrong. the only problem with it being the Horn of Joramun(winter) is that the Horn of Winter is described as being 8 ft long. but maybe the stories had been embellished over the years?

Who know's what Baelish's other motives are other than eventual power and an infatuation with Sansa. I don't think he is in with the Queen of Thorns as they are in deep with the Lannisters now. Perhaps he's deliberately played the Tyrrels as well as he's played the Lannisters by tying them into each other with marriage and ensuring mutual downfall. Sansa is definitely becoming smarter in A Feast for Crows, it'll be interesting to see if she lets Littlefinger kill Robert Arryn with that sweetmilk.

i think when the Tyrells learn it was Cersei that had Magarey locked up, that lil experiment will be over. and it is nice to see sansa finally learn something, but at this point if she goes against Baelish, shes pretty fucked. who else would help her? i love Baelish.

Certainly evidence that Varys is a Faceless Man but even if he's acquired the skills I'm not convinced he is one, or at least not anymore. I'm not sure what the Faceless Men's interest in the fate of Westeros would be.

ive decided there's no way Varys is a faceless man. Ned recognized Varys, master of guise? sure. but hes not changing faces or Ned would not have recognized him in the dungeon.

I also believe that we will get to see Valyria, or at least hear detail from someone who has been there. A lot of mentions have been made about Tyrion's uncle Gerion over the course of the books - I think we'll at least find out what happened to him.

i agree with the first part for sure. and i would love to learn what happened to Gerion as well as the lannister valaryian steel sword that vanished with him, but dunno if we'll get that far.

also, is anyone else pissed off about what happened to Ice? the sword that had been in the stark family over 400 years [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Prince]

"did u read book 5?" wrt valyira yeah i read all the books but the only people i ever recall having been near/on valyria is euron and we dont even know if thats true. also if i recall correctly valyria is pretty much right in between where dany is at the end of adwd and westeros

[Prince]

i think youre reading too much into the series title. just bc horns make music and the series name is a song of fire and ice doesnt mean the two horns are the end all be all to the story. also jaqen killed pate and infiltrated citadel way way way before sam got there so that doesnt make sense as evidence

[Prince]

victarion is a good guy and he does have ships but if he lives it will be through the grace of others. he sucks at the game of thrones because he operates in a very similar manner as Ned did; pretty linearly

[Prince]

also if the damphair has more than one chapter total in the next two books i will cut someone

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Prince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think youre reading too much into the series title. just bc horns make music and the series name is a song of fire and ice doesnt mean the two horns are the end all be all to the story. also jaqen killed pate and infiltrated citadel way way way before sam got there so that doesnt make sense as evidence

you can't say im reading to much into the horns, and not say the same thing about the R&L being Jons parents. im not saying the end all be all, im saying they are important. thats all. Also, Jaqan WAS headed north, to the wall. but after Sam (and the horn) were sent away to the citadel, thats when Jaqan redirects that direction. yes Jaqan arrives and takes his place as Pate before Sam arrives, but thats what a smart person would do. get there early, take your seat, and wait. none of this get there late, talk on your cellphone, and hoot and hollar.

Originally Posted by Prince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

victarion is a good guy and he does have ships but if he lives it will be through the grace of others. he sucks at the game of thrones because he operates in a very similar manner as Ned did; pretty linearly

i disagree. but we will have to wait until books 6 and 7 to see who is right. Ned would never have made a deal with Dany to get his brother killed. and i think Victarion will make exactly that deal with Dany. Victarion gives Dany, her council and followers, her unsullied, her bloodriders, and her dragons a ride to Westeros + a horn that will allow her to actually control her dragons, because right now shes pretty useless as a dragon tamer. and in return, Dany will slew Euron (remember Euron wants to marry dany to use the dragons for his own, this will bring dany to Victarions side) and deliver Pyke to Victarion. at least, thats my theory and i like it. if i was victarion, its exactly what i would do.

Originally Posted by Prince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also if the damphair has more than one chapter total in the next two books i will cut someone

i hope and pray and beg that we only had him as a PoV character to help us through the kings moot and introduce us to Euron. i will cut myself if i have to read another of his chapters.