ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[wts]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does the fan club give out "Aliser for 999th LC" buttons? I want one. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to make this happen.

Sidelle, here's the playlist for Preston's Mind of Wolves and Robins series if you haven't watched it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgU...kDrZ8Kuteu-nUn

A lot of stuff relevant to your speculation.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by wts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to make this happen.

Sidelle, here's the playlist for Preston's Mind of Wolves and Robins series if you haven't watched it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgU...kDrZ8Kuteu-nUn

A lot of stuff relevant to your speculation.

Thank you. Gonna watch right now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Patriam1066]

I think ghost is going to die. Jon's destiny involves a dragon. Can he be a skin changer and a dragon rider? He can't be that legit can he???

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think ghost is going to die. Jon's destiny involves a dragon. Can he be a skin changer and a dragon rider? He can't be that legit can he???

Ghost might be the price of resurrection. I'm not in love with riding dragons. I guess, ever since I read the Princess and the Queen and Rogue Prince stories, the dragons and Targaryens will end up killing each other. They can't help themselves.

[Sidelle]

Anyone else ever get crazy ideas in their head like this:

So Jon's dead. Doesn't get resurrected by Melissandre because maybe the White Walkers snatch him up first? (No, not to become a wight). Their leader seemed very interested in Jon, no? He may be half Targaryen, but I think the Stark in him runs deeper. Plus, I kinda think they have the old gods in common. And, he's a warg for a reason. A gift from the old gods to the Starks.

I guess I'm just not completely convinced that the White Walkers are the bad guys yet. Might be followers of the old gods too. Need more info. I think Rh'llor is a real dick so far, though...

Then maybe some of the Bloodraven and Bran north of the wall storyline will come together with Jon somehow? I've always been really interested in knowing exactly why Bran is a greenseer. He can control people's minds, no one has ever been able to do that before (according to the books and the show).

And fuck them dragons. Look at Dany trying to control those assholes with no Dragonbinder or knowledge of the spells to keep them under control. They're pretty useless and that weakens her position big time.

Anyways, I love trying to guess what's gonna happen. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then maybe some of the Bloodraven and Bran north of the wall storyline will come together with Jon somehow? I've always been really interested in knowing exactly why Bran is a greenseer. He can control people's minds, no one has ever been able to do that before (according to the books and the show).

Bran's storyline:

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No high hopes here

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone else ever get crazy ideas in their head like this:

So Jon's dead. Doesn't get resurrected by Melissandre because maybe the White Walkers snatch him up first? (No, not to become a wight). Their leader seemed very interested in Jon, no? He may be half Targaryen, but I think the Stark in him runs deeper. Plus, I kinda think they have the old gods in common. And, he's a warg for a reason. A gift from the old gods to the Starks.

I guess I'm just not completely convinced that the White Walkers are the bad guys yet. Might be followers of the old gods too. Need more info. I think Rh'llor is a real dick so far, though...

Then maybe some of the Bloodraven and Bran north of the wall storyline will come together with Jon somehow? I've always been really interested in knowing exactly why Bran is a greenseer. He can control people's minds, no one has ever been able to do that before (according to the books and the show).

And fuck them dragons. Look at Dany trying to control those assholes with no Dragonbinder or knowledge of the spells to keep them under control. They're pretty useless and that weakens her position big time.

Anyways, I love trying to guess what's gonna happen. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have the imagination to get deep into long range stuff. But, I think the Others storyline has something to do with a long-standing promise or treaty that has been forgotten and broken. I think the current state of the NW has something to do with it. You start with the idea that the Wall was meant to keep the Others apart from rest of the continent and you see current state NW spending all their time fretting about Wildings. I think Martin set the stage for this screw-up in the prologue of first book. The Starks, Wardens of the North and family mostly closely connected to the Wall and its purpose, gather up Gared as a deserter and promptly lop off his head. The Others could have easily run down Gared and killed him, but they didn't. This was the warning signal, that the Starks missed. Ned's first mistake. And, then Martin proceeds to spend 100s, maybe 1000s of pages letting us think that the Wildings were some massive threat to the realm. Way wrong IMO.

So yeah, the Others are coming. That Hardhomme episode was awesome, as it presented us (me) with the scale of their threat, that even Martin has not delivered thus far. And, Bloodraven, while I'm sure he'll be interested in fAegon if he's a Blackfyre, has put Old God's magic in play + pulled in Bran to figure out what to do about the Others. I think ultimately, this is where Jon's future contributions lie.

As for Dany and her dragons. The iron throne will continue to be important, so she will be. I think the idea that fAegon could be a Blackfyre adds a great deal to storyline. The Blackfyres were crazy about getting the throne.

I'm all in.

[Patriam1066]

Bran will be important as fuck. His story is and will remain boring though IMO. Minus skinchanging a dragon...

I agree with you sidelle. For the longest time I thought Jon would be the ice to Dany's Fire, and perhaps " balance the force" on the side of the Others, so to speak. Given the photos from season 6, however, with Jon wearing Robb's King in the North garb, I think he's going to be unambiguously "good".

As for the Others and the old gods..... I've become convinced by Preston's videos that the old gods are really just children of the Forest skinchanging, sending dreams, and using the tree network to spy on people. I believe they are neither on the side of mankind nor the Others. That said, I have no clue what role bloodraven and bran would play.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bran's storyline:

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No high hopes here

ROFL. Perfect. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bran will be important as fuck. His story is and will remain boring though IMO. Minus skinchanging a dragon...

I agree with you sidelle. For the longest time I thought Jon would be the ice to Dany's Fire, and perhaps " balance the force" on the side of the Others, so to speak. Given the photos from season 6, however, with Jon wearing Robb's King in the North garb, I think he's going to be unambiguously "good".

As for the Others and the old gods..... I've become convinced by Preston's videos that the old gods are really just children of the Forest skinchanging, sending dreams, and using the tree network to spy on people. I believe they are neither on the side of mankind nor the Others. That said, I have no clue what role bloodraven and bran would play.

Yes. Jon just can't help himself. He'll always be the good guy.

I'm hopeful that shit's gonna be exciting for the upcoming books, though I do have concerns about the show ruining it somehow before books come out. Sounds like I need to check in with Preston again. I've either forgotten or missed some stuff.

[James_Joyce]

I've watched the series but I don't read too deep into the lore and I haven't read the books or anything.

What's with all the theorycraft here? Isn't this all spelled out and spoiled in the books? Or is there already a large divergence from the source material?

sry if this has been answered but 240 pages